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numbers never came true and then the the apologist would be like well with modeling it's never an exact science it

can go a little this way a little that but when each and every single time it's skewed in the same direction that's

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Hello everybody welcome to the show hello everyone it's Jason and Demitri coming at you um having an episode here

today on on uh doing your own research and the benefits or possibly the

pratfalls of that and um is it pratfalls or pitfalls whatever um what what on

Earth is a pratfall I don't know I don't know I don't know if that's even a word I think it's a word um maybe I meant to

say pitfalls um yeah so uh either way uh

I think that's the thing with this doing your own research is just uh it can be

um it can be a very empowering uh a very empowering thing to do I think it's kind

of crucial to do and I think we're going to be talking about that a lot in the show uh as we as we sort of tumble further

down the rabbit hole in this uh technological um fantasmagoria of ours uh you know we

want to have something that we can kind of rely on more and more that we can trust and our trust in our institutions

are failing our trust in sort of authority is failing and I I think it's like we have to look Inward and sort of

do what people used to do and go back to empirical data and go back to trusting

our our instincts to some extent but also the research we do and the research those of us we trust do and um sort of

building from the ground up again and um I I think that that's uh almost maybe if

maybe not I think at this stage anyway this sort of transition stage where we're going from sort of one type of

Paradigm to another uh this is a good starting point to to build on so what

Paradigm are we in and what Paradigm are we going to okay

so I don't know how long we've been in this but maybe since the I don't know end of World War II or something um or

at least early 20th century this this idea that we've been we've had

institutions government ments um um big or big organizations you know ever since

ever really ever since the uh Industrial Revolution or ever since uh science really became a a driver of industry and

a driver of um progress and Technology we've had this um more and more we've

become reliant on those who are able to provide this uh sort of um magical service to to us and and

as the technology has gotten more complex and more specialized in many ways um there's a disparity between

those who are actually creating it and those who are um consuming it which is

which is disparity in a disparity in for example like some people know how to

program and code and create a lot of the things that people use nowaday as Things

become more complex the everyday person simply can't understand them anymore right I mean you can think of this in different there's different sort of

silos for this so like in the old days it would be like you know you go on an airplane and you'd be flying and um you

know the pilots know most presumably most of what's going on there uh you know the engineers and the mechanics

know how to build the planes and how to maintain it but the average person is just kind of getting on the plan it's like okay this thing flies I've heard

that it flies I've seen other people fly so I'm going to put my trust in this that they know what they're doing and that that may be one of the last

Industries people still have a lot of trust in yeah yeah really yeah it's funny that

that it's just you know that everybody worries about all these other uh you know these other things that are so much

less um impactful like actually I just started watching that Society of snow about that Andes crash I heard yeah yeah

and it's like yeah it's a pretty important you know you're really taking your life in your hand it's like yeah like when people say our institutions

are failing us you you really couldn't say the aviation institution is failing

us no I you know the safety is just outstanding right it might not be quite the service it once was right right yeah

safety the fact that yeah they're able to you know fly through the air and um put bring us to another country you know

fairly quickly is is is pretty amazing yeah still really still a Marvel but it's um but yeah you're right like but

it's also very tight like tried and tested technology like the average airplane today isn't really

fundamentally different from something 50 60 years ago right right yeah they tried to do that with a Concord and it

was like yeah we call it technology in a sense but it's more been like a complete um Evolution rout the revolution is over

whereas the other processes you're talking about you know like coding and stuff we're still like really like in a permanent infancy State well we are but

we're also those things are more ubiquitous so they're more people are using the products more often so that

disparity is more and more um like you know I I remember still remember the day

where I would tell people that I you know what I do for a living and they'd be like oh okay so you work with computers and I'm like well not really

but and and that kind of mindset just doesn't work anymore like even as a Layman you can't just be like like

computers it's like yeah you use computers for everything so like um there there becomes more and more of

a trust I think for the average person um that people sort of running various

parts of their lives know what they're doing and and they're really just relying on the fact that they that they

what they're doing the increased complexity makes it really hard to be a well-rounded generalist anymore right

right you know back in the day you live in a small town I'll call Jim he's a piece of my barber my plumber my

electrician he knows a little bit of everything little bit of everything and yeah yeah but now the complexity is such that you just that there's no way that

one person could be that well-rounded so therefore we defer our responsibilities

in a sense to a higher power more and more often yeah I think of auto mechanics like the my grandfather uh had

trucks and cars all over his yard and he was a he was a mechanic and he would sort of like just bring your car and

I'll Tinker around or whatever and he'll he'd figure something out but uh like imagine like bringing a Tesla and he'd

be like well I don't know what the hell's going on here so like um or the international monetary system like or

anything like just everything is way more complex right right right yeah so so I guess just to sort of finish off um

answering your question like like the old Paradigm is one where we in where we trusted institutions and we trusted um

others to sort of we offloaded a lot of the um work of understanding how the

world Works to other people and then which was how as a society we grew

because specialization allowed us to you know focus on one thing and we could rely on other people to do other things

but I do think that we're now you know shifting to another age I guess where we

have um we have to take some of that back we have to take some of that the onus of that well as as a world population grows and education becomes

more equal globally I think the average person is becoming a much more highly trained in a variety of subjects that 20

years ago you know it's like going to University when we were younger it was a very small SEL selection of people that

went to University if you just wanted to learn a trade you went to college sort of thing now everyone's going to University so globally you would think

the average person yeah it's tough because I say in one hand you think the average person

wants to know more and wants to be part of the process more and understand more but I also feel like there's a cultural

thing seeping in and that part of that like is an indoctrination where I just

know how difficult things are so I'm going to make sure because I am educated I'm going to defer to an expert it's

almost like deferring to an expert is the Hallmark of an educated man well yeah it's strange right instead of

taking on that sort of do-it-yourself attitude it's like well I just I understand it's kind of like Socrates I

only know how little I know right so therefore I'm going to defer back to the experts and we get stuck in this Loop a

little bit well I think at some point people El elevated to uh universities to a status that maybe they didn't deserve

to be uh like well they were at the top so whether they actually achieved what they said they were going to achieve or

not you know back in the day you could go get like a geography you know four-year Bachelor of Arts sort of thing

and become like the minister of the environment yeah no true but isn't it strange though because it's like

everybody I know um you know prior to University who who instead of going to University went to college um and picked

up a trade like they're the ones who are successful now like they're the ones who have they're banking money like yeah it

a more narrow field and maybe just because of their studies they didn't spend those four or five years like what

did we do in University like we talked about Philosophy for the most part you wouldn't say the person that is more successful in 2023 24 25 is the person

that actually follows status quo versus going off being Maverick and doing your

own thing like I think a university kind of in a sense teaches you to be ultimately independent you learn how to

learn whereas when you go to a trade school you learn your specific skill set

you went to this school this is your diploma go make some money off you go I feel like people who are follow status

quo are promoted and rewarded at a higher frequency and that yeah Status

Quo comes with the many caveats one may be like do you put your pronouns in front of your on your business card

guess you're not getting promoted you know or um do you go with the over generalized narrative each and every

single time oh you're who's this one person thinking they know better better not promote Bob you know I think there's

a reward that's going into following status quo that is diminishing the potential in every person and we don't

even know what's happening to us yeah yeah something like I can see that yeah so it's strange because we

have the knowledge but it's like we're such a you know it's like a dog like you you you go to try to train a dog smart

dogs are much easier to train than stupid dogs right right so now we are smarter

but in a sense we're also easier to be more indoctrinated and by smarter I mean more knowledgeable yeah because we understand

the scope of what we're trying like oh my God you know because it's kind of in a sense of right like an ignorant person's like ah if I was Putin I would

just do this you know and Sh but you have no idea the level of complexity that the you know people are trying to achieve in anything right but when you

actually understand the level of complexity you know enough not to even touch it yeah I wonder you know I wonder how

much like I know people who are like I wonder how much education even has to do with it because I really do think that

this is almost like people have choices like I know some people who are very

uneducated but but smart like who I would call Smart because it's like they know what they know about life or

whatever and they might not be able to talk about the nuances of some topic but they know enough to be like I don't to

to sort of say like look I'm not an expert in this field this is what I feel based on what I know but they're they're

smart enough to sort of have that caveat and to and to make sure they express that and then to when they do know

something well kind of um gradually increase their confidence in it and and

display it that way as opposed to I think a lot of people in that have gone to universities that have gotten you

know it's almost like they feel like they were given a stamp of approval and so anything it's like well I must know like you know everybody knows that

people follow this or if I bump into it all the time on X you know where people like just like oh so you think you're an

expert you know it's kind like being back in your original like uh first year lecture halls with a thousand people M

and you want to raise your hand and ask a question right and you're so afraid to do so because the propit is going to

call you out in front of 1500 people right right you know that kind of thing and you're right it's kind of more of a spiritual or personality thing you know

um we don't do enough hand raising anymore it's like we've been because from even from that very day you're

indoctrinated just put your head down take your notes write your tests get your diploma get out right don't ruffle

any feathers you know it's rare that you had an actual um lecture where it was

um supported fully full-heartedly to have an open debate you know and I can

understand you want to control it because the whole thing can go in the wrong direction but in general in society we have a lot more

self-censorship than I would have ever thought and I always feel like and we've been through this before is it

collectivism or is it individualism that's going to take us to the next stage and I always come back to individualism obviously with

collaboration between individuals but not an over centralizing sort of narrative on anything it it it really

brings it back to like are we you know when you look at the kings and queens of feudalism in Europe what did they say to

the masses that justified the king to have these powers that he was I for the most part

it's that they were sort of divined by God right he had the ultimate Authority like so much ultimate like

it's literally God said this man should be runs you who are you to go against the king and God right okay I'll just

take my Pitchfork and work in my field now right and it shamed you you just like oh just look how big his house is

he's got a castle I got like a little straw Hut and God put him there like whatever he's like you know can't he

can't come back with that it's the ultimate like just go shut the up like you don't know what and and I can understand from a sort of political

system why they would want to do that I'm sure even the Kings for the most part believe God didn't put them there

but they needed the to utilize religion to justify their power over the people

right and then you know as the printing press made its way through Europe and the average person was becoming smarter

they just simply couldn't keep that ruse up any longer yeah and you get Magna Carta and you got the west and liberal

democracy and off you go it was through the strength of the individual but now the new Gods the new experts are you're

microsofts and apples and CDC and FDA and the White House you know they're just it's fragmented but they are these

you know citadels in the sky that the average person how how dareth touch such a thing it's U it's an interesting

comparison like as soon as you said that about the printing press and um sort of the um dissemination of knowledge that

came with that it's it's really the internet and everything is weren't they doing their own research by reading yeah

exactly and it's we're sort of just in that next stage of that and you're right for you to read the Bible and tell the priest what to believe right like

seriously you think they didn't have the same debates on some level yeah but on some level and I will say so so I I

guess the contention here is um that that doing your own research is overall probably a good thing uh but

I but I would I would wonder you know is it um you there there's downsides to that right like there are people who are

experts in the field and there are people who are you know by virtue of the fact of where they are and their job or

their studies or whatever it is uh just know more about some subject than another person might so it's it's almost

like getting this balance right like it's like do your own research but make sure you do it right and that's hard

teaches anybody that these days is that actually I don't know cuz I don't have kids but are they actually teaching young people or are they just going up

to the Oracle of chat GPT like whatever the Oracle has a summarizer you know back in the day like it was bad enough

you had like Google skewed links but at least you had 15 choices to pick between right right now literally go to chat PT

forget your 15 choices you touch the crystal ball and out comes your one single answer right right stiz by

whoever puts a garbage in garbage in garbage out yeah right and so now to go

from a chat GPT experience back to a Google looking at links experience is that one extra step that kids aren't

going to want to do right so yeah they're not going to say like give me an alternate uh suggestion can I have 10

chat GPT different answers you know like that would be ideal it's interesting it can do that because then it's it's like

how is it determining like if you if you ask it to give you an answer and then you ask it to give you a better answer it will give

you sort of an almost qualitatively better answer so it's like well why didn't you just give the first answer

you know it's actually interesting what's kind of going on there but yeah I see what you mean it's like reducing

more and more our options as consumer of knowledge like um very much like an

oracle so it's like we don't even need to like our our choice doesn't have to play

into it anymore there's an answer and that's it and I just in general I feel like there's going to be because people

are lazy and people just want to go with status quo and they want to get promoted and life is expensive the and you're

going to have you know debt slavery through debt who's going to really want to push back against the system in the

future when you can just be canceled one wrong tweet off you go you know sorry we know you don't represent the values of

the company whatever question you ask on whatever platform is not uh in congruent

with our ethos and our beliefs so therefore off you go yeah you can go live in the woods somewhere which you

know it's surprising you know it does happen like you know when kingdoms fell people went back into the mountains to find Refuge like it's a little bit like

that you know like you can either be part of your smart city and listen to what the king says or off back to the woods you

go you know what Ted kazinski did yeah yeah and you know I can I it's it's

repeating itself you know I can really see that but yeah I think there's something there about the feudalism and stuff and we're back to you know you the

whole sort of you'll own nothing and be happy you know it's like you how could how dare that even come

out of your mouth you know right right but yeah doing your own research like there there are good ways of doing like

very good ways of doing your own research online it really is a sense of uh David versus Goliath at this point

though um just in the sense of like all the things you mentioned where

you you need these tools to to sort of do your jobs and compete in life almost

and you need to follow the rules to some extent so and you and there's only so many hours in the day so it does come

back to this time this point where you're like okay how do I effectively do my own research and make the right

choices for me when everything else is pushing me in the other direction when it's important enough you you know when you have like God forbid an illness or

something you start to do your own research so one thing I've heard before is don't walk into a doctor's office and assume you know everything but also

don't walk into thect office and assume they know everything M the truth has got to be in the middle somewhere right you

know and that and if you're working with a good doctor they should understand that like like what they don't think

you're I've watched my own doctor turn onto the computer and Google something while we're having like a a conversation

right you're telling me not to do my own research yeah well but I think the difference that's so hypoc hypocritical

though I know you're going to say the difference is they well there's a background because I think people will

okay I'm going to give you this example and I'm I'm I know know you know it I've told you this before but I don't know if I've said it on the show but it's a good

example I think is that a while ago I would say I don't know 10 years ago or something I started having these like

what are called vascul which are like little Twitches in my in the muscles where it was just they come out of the

blue and I just have in my arm and then they would I would have them my wrist and then my like leg and everything it was just all over like my neck and I

would have them sporadically throughout the day but it wouldn't be like once an hour it' be like once every five minutes and then I'd be like oh like there it is

again like there it is again it was just over and over again and I really worked I was you know Googled it online this is

actually um yeah this Google was around and everything so I was uh I was checking things out online it was like

everything was pointing me toward ALS which is this like you know neurodegenerative disease which will

eventually uh you know Stephen Hawking ALS um and uh it was I I was pretty sure

I had it like even the other sort of symptoms of it I was I was I think manifesting to some degree and then and

I was to the point where I was on for forums for ALS you know figuring okay these are the people I'm going to be

like with for the next 6 months before I die and um I was like how do I you know I guess I have to set my Affairs in

order which is ridiculous consider I don't really have any Affairs to set in order but um you know and I was really

planning on that so I and I went to the doctor they didn't know what it was so they passed me on to a uh neurologist so I was like I had the appointment with a

neurologist so I you you know was terrified to go in there I finally went in and the neurologist ran some tests

and like um and then he's like yeah I can't find it anything and I'm like well what is this he's like I don't know it's probably all in your head or he said

something like that right like and I was like oh and then as soon as he said that it was I went you know I went outside

and I I swear it was like I didn't have one fcul after that like it was literally just all in my head and um

sorry please yeah yeah I just going to say so that's my my research led me completely down the wrong path because I it never really occurred to me that it

was just all some sort of psychological like I don't know maybe I had that first one and you know I like so I was like

willing myself to have these or something it's really strange yeah but you know on the same side you could talk about long Co all day long and

everybody's like do I have it I don't know obviously there is a thing called long covid but how much is it like just

in your mind how much is it physiological yeah so I think that can go two ways like you can just hear you

know like people have different diagnosis and stuff like that coming through and you start to if there's a psychological term when people study in

like medicine you start to feel like every new thing you're studying you think you actually have is it like Munch

Munch hous or I can't even remember anymore it's been 20 years since I hear but there is an actual underlying thing there but okay but It

ultimately it didn't hurt the world that way what happened right you know no but

I mean I think there's the perils with doing your own research are the fact

that if you're if you got a one track mind and you're Googling something and you have a few um symptoms you're going

to convince yourself you're going to convince yourself and you don't know that there's other things that maybe I don't know there maybe 10

reasons listed and one might be kind of a throwaway you think there's a throw enough research cuz then you could have found the psycholog iCal underlyings

that cause you to do this yeah like well that's more research but that's the thing I mean yeah yeah sure you could go to medical school and then you can you

know you can see patients all the time and you kind of rule things out yeah so there um now I'm not saying it's not

important to sort of be prepared but it's like it's really hard I think for somebody especially for their own illness to go in objectively and look at

something and kind of you know almost robotically of course but when you when you if you hang around long enough in a

tattoo shop you're going to get yourself a tattoo so if you're hanging around a neurologist long enough you're only going to get neurological answers you

know it can be much larger broader Spectrum or you ask you know go get a second opinion yeah you know that's

that's probably the ultimate form of research is just go to experts from many many different opinions and experts

outside of the actual regulating bodies that you went to originally it's like

that's why you people I went to Europe or Asia and ask a doctor over there they're still an expert but they're completely maybe trained in a different

philosophy or different drugs or everything else is could be you know just not analogous to what your experien

is here here but um when I here's what how I do my own research if I want to do something medical and you don't like

you're right like jumping on the Tik Tok horrific like that's just that's not research Instagram that's not research

but if you want to you know there's podmed you go to you know the the web link for PubMed type in you find all the

research papers that are peer-reviewed but the topic you're looking at that's amazing and it's not that hard to

understand a research paper like initially like oh God what is this it is a little bit hard but there's an abstract there's a methodology there's a

inclusion I always recommend looking at the supplemental data cuz this is a little nefarious but a lot of times what

they actually come to in the conclusion through words is not corroborated by the actual data things can get a little

funky like that so then you got to yeah you it'll show like no efficacy in the data and they'll write oh as we know

there is efficacy like what's up with that so you're dealing with like organizations that really are largely

operating on grants and those grants come from sometimes sources that they don't want to say anything bad about so

you got to just take a long time to go through that so there's PubMed there's Google Scholar have you ever tried Google Scholar I haven't no don't go to

Google and type in something go to Google Scholar and it'll bring up all the research papers and you can rank them and everything from newest ones

that have come out or most viewed and everything else yeah and then the third one Cochran you go to the Cochran and

the library online type in you can find every like giant metaanalysis of uh from

vetted researchers and then with that information you go to your doctor and go well what's up right half the time I bet

you will come with more information on the specific subject than the doctor really knows because they can't possibly know everything all the time but don't

well that's the thing because you're going to a doctor and it's they they they're they are a generalist so it's

like they'll know a little bit of everything maybe and or even in your case a specialist but they can't know all the latest research what if the

paper came out six months ago right yeah but so you're assuming though that you're able to like I mean unless you're

obsessively researching this stuff and I guess you're saying you're talking about so if you have um an ailment and you're

going to be researching that you know 8 hours a day or whatever then like yes doing your own research isn't

quick MH no no it's not quick but it's also I mean it might not be feasible I mean if you're talking about something

that's really like you know you think you have ALS okay like it's worth it to kind of uh you know invest the time but

how does this extrapolate out to for example I don't know the co situation or

um gender identity something like that it's like is somebody going to spend that much time like hm let me find out what this is all about and what the um

how much of gender identity kind of like it was in I don't want to say it's in people's heads in a sense but but you know on that point the NHS in UK when

they come to a gender reassignment they basically say to you we can't operate on your brain MH and you feel like you're a

woman let's say but we can change your body so let's make your body be more in

sync with your brain yeah but what they're really saying when they say that is that we know it starts in the brain

mhm you know like it's interesting

how having the M body match the head that's literally what the official experts say there yeah yeah like for

instance when it came to my um like I had to do my own research recently like last uh I don't know about a year ago or

so I had high cholesterol so the doctor was like well do you want to go on statins and I'm like well if food got me into this issue can food get me out and

she's like well are you really going to change your food give me a chance like let me prove you know Empower me sort

instead of taking the power away right and most people like well kind of like the energy like well I should just

listen to the expert how am I supposed to do anything so I went home and I just basically researched how can you lower

your cholesterol through exercise and diet changed a bunch of things so 6

months to the day I went in and I had dropped my cholesterol down from um 7

and a half to low fives just starting in the red zone and she was like wow like how did you do this um did you go on

medication or something like no I just did it all through diet and that was it she didn't ask me what did you take she wasn't interested I was just a one

anecdotal story but if she was truly curio if she was doing her job if the Curiosity and science was still there

and not bred out of her she would have asked what did you do maybe they ask you everything else like how's the wife

how's the kids how's your business you're not going to ask me what I ate but she's also on a

Time constrained and she asks me a lot of nonmedical questions when I'm there

she's very nice and social but she did not go there with because we have a nice

Rapport on this particular so I think that's her training her training is basically guiding her back into the cave like don't look left or right

cholesterol statins that's it but I would also say that in the same way it's it's like what is the average person

going to do the average person is going to not change their diet now no but but yeah if everybody starts doing their own

research but this is something that is like you know this is like an actuary table right like you're like you're

people are certain like doctors are certain that X number of people are not going to change their diet so the the solution is statins or whatever this

thing is right yeah but people didn't you know if you went you went that approach everybody would still be smoking you know at a certain point we

the doctor can help you train new habits into you and encourage you well I'm not saying that they shouldn't I'm just

saying that that's that's probably that's just the state of where we are today like if you can go like I I went

to a naturopath recently and I was shocked to hear how much she seemed to know about about the body and what was

what was happening um it it's really interesting when you start opening up your mind to different um like

acupuncture for example like I I I don't it doesn't seem to work for me or it doesn't I don't I don't get it it doesn't make any sense to me like but um

I've gone to them before and there's a whole you know industry built around it like it works for some people so you

can't argue with the end result right like you can say it's Placebo you can say it's this but I don't think you can

I I don't think you can if you're being honest with with yourself you can say that this whole like I guess China it

came out of China but it's that this whole industry is just it's all the placebo effect like there's they're doing something right like we just don't

know what it is so it's like this different view of looking at sort of the same problem that they may have a solution that's I saying you have to ask

different experts in different um medical bubbles right right yeah for

sure and the internet's the easiest way to do that like well what did they do in China why or why do we have fluoride in

our water in North America okay cavitation cavities and why don't they have Florida in Europe oh so do they

have more cavities in Europe do littleit no they don't see like why do we have fluoride here why well maybe it's

because we eat a lot more sugar in our diet because we allow a lot more well they started this in the fluide they putting fluide into the fluorination um

into our water well before we started having all these sugary drinks when did this like 1940s or something I don't know like why I drink Perry SOS yeah but

you know like my point is you can look at different so what there their experts there say one thing the experts here say

something else or what is the vaccine schedule in North America versus the vaccine schedule in other parts of the

world and what are the rates of measles and polio in each place you know like you need your control arms in each group

and that's where when you look outside your own bubble you're going to get the um you know correctly you're going to

get what different medical experts are doing outside your own little siloed way of thinking so that's actual diversity

right I I I think that the the I think that the the main problem here is is

either time people just don't have the time or sort of a you know I don't want use that against us

like you don't have time just take this pill everything will be okay but Mo a lot of the times they're right right like a lot of the times it does make

sense to um just take the statins uh so

I have a few sort of points that I think if you really want to do your own research like I don't know if it's sort

of an appropriate time now to to bring this up but I I so I just I I think that I sort of was trying to think about what

it was because I do think it's important I do think there's a balance I think there's we're going into this new age

this idea that you're just going to trust in the institutions is insane at this point like you know we can't we can't trust our institutions to tell us

captured no yeah virtually all of them are yeah financially ideolog ideologically all the big uh you know

media Outlets or newspapers everything is in some sense when fizer puts commercials on CNN are they adver izing

products or are they just buying influence yeah who knows they're not

they don't care about selling their product they got a buil-in market right they are just making sure that CNN won't

do any research against fizer right right right that's what they're really doing and they're putting it right in

front of your eyes well it's probably a symbiotic relationship because then it's like they're getting the the people who

trust CNN will also trust they'll have that association with fiser being something they can trust they really

don't want is independent journalism or journalism in general going after them so I'll just give you so much money you don't dare go after me yeah yeah no it's

it's a good strategy it's got nothing to do with selling something in a commercial have you ever looked at a a drug look at this you know yeah yeah I

always used to wonder why like yeah like that's actually an interesting point because it's not just them but it's like

you know you see I don't know like Bel B Canada or somebody like advertising you're like well like I mean I guess

that's like if they're advertising for phone service or something when back when they when they wasn't uh you any

other option it's like well what are they advertising for like what's like they we are you already got your Market um they're buying real estate in your

mind that's what they're trying to do and they want to make sure that it's the prime real estate top of the top of the

food pyramid yeah I'm going back though just there was an article in nature you know like that's very

reputable um organization and it was the um the main cause of uh scientific paper

retractions uh most so so conventional wisdom says that most retractions in papers and scientific journals are

triggered by unintentional errors like they didn't mean to do oh peer reviewed caught it but actually they found that

wasn't so according to one of the largest ever studies on retractions uh let me see here 2third of

retracted life science papers were stricken from scientific record because of misconduct such as fraud or suspected

fraud and that journals sometimes soft pedal uh the reasoning behind it so it's

just like they they know they're lying because they want the grant money yeah it's um so then the doctor is going to

read those and take them so literally like 2third in this particular case you can't trust two-thirds of the

retractions were due to fraud right so when I was telling you earlier looking at the supplemental data versus the

actual conclusion they can really be way off right it's interesting though

they're actually putting I mean they're putting the correct results in like the problem is is like you almost need a

statistics degree or you need to know something about statistics to even understand how some tests work right

like the methodology behind like blind versus double blind and all this stuff so it's like really a lot of it you know

a lot of you almost have to do a lot of research as to what you'll need to

research um and and it's uh Your Instinct can kick in like during the covid modeling everything was like the

the greatest disasters in terms of numbers never came true and then the the apologist would be like well modeling

it's never an exact science it can go a little this way a little that but when each and every single time it's skewed

in the same direction that's intentional that's misconduct that's fraud yeah you

know you going ask why are they doing it what are the grants what's the reasoning what's the political structures behind it you know so you have to do your mean

yes you can learn the actual technicalities but you can't just you also have to keep your eyes open for

General patterns that seem to be repeating it's a little bit like an IQ test it's really just finding patterns and seeing what happens yeah over and

over yeah if you're really paying attention I think you can so i' I've got these five rules that are I think are I

mean you know I'm sure you could take one out or add one in add another one in but uh I was able to boil this down to

five rules that I think are important for doing your own research the first is just to learn as much bare facts as you

can so there's a difference between there are things that are just factually accurate right there are um like it's

just a a thing that is like ma there's a lot in math that is just it just is what it is I mean you know and and you know

take out any kind of outlying weird like quantum physics or like there's always sort of exceptions in some weird outlier

kind of way to some things like you have to separate what is that which is fact from that which is opinion I guess the

point is that you need to learn as much bare facts as you can and you you start on those with those axioms and then you

move out toward from that uh if you have those bare principles and those bare facts you can build something that

um that that you can grow outward does that make sense like

does I understand I'm just saying though like the the mere Act of a human

observing something it's kind of like a little quantum physics will change the outcomes no but I mean but that's what you have to kind of get away from like

you have to be able to trust your senses but then it becomes a little bit is science Faith but this is so this is so what I'm

talking so this first well this first point is almost like we're not talking about things that are that subjective

right like there you could say like for example like climate change I mean you know you could argue about whether it's

you know the the facts are in and everything like that but like that it's it's a more complicated question like

I'm talking about like axiomatic uh principles so you're you're talking about like plus 1 equals 2 like like

this whole where it's like oh math is racist and everything no math isn't racist math is math so like like you have to you have to start somewhere

and and you have to start with that like those fundamental principles like if you want to survive in the world and just

like move forward with life instead of like you know sitting there in your um um fainting chair just like con

Conjuring up all these possible like like what ifs all the time then then you need to have some sort of starting point

I understand you build on you build on each piece of knowledge sort of thing of course and and you know the more science

that's happening from more different parts of the world from more diverse groups of people the the better average

of an overall answer you're going to get yeah so that will Aver that hopefully will average out all the different little

but it's it takes a long time so that's why when they you know we worked at warp speed or the science is settled that's

the like the least scientific thing you could ever possibly say I agree but you have to have a reason that you're

arguing against I I mean okay so let let's let's just go to the second Point here is like um you want to be able to

expose yourself to different mediums and different perspectives so it's kind of a nice segue into this you have to be able

to kind of be conf confident enough you have to be I guess humble enough really to expose yourself to the other side or

to some different perspective to be able to like really arrive at the right conclusions course um so cuz to that

point here's a little expression because a lot of people they want to stay in the little bubbles So to avoid being wrong

we end up staying wrong yeah because you just don't want you know because you're afraid so I'll just hold on to my

beliefs even though the asteroids about to hit the planet no it's not sort of right right yeah and it's okay to not be

certain on something right this is something that we've kind of gotten away from it's like everybody has the answer on on uh like I don't want to dead name

X so I'll call it X but like um like it's like everybody seems to feels like they have the answer right they're going

to they're they all uh and you don't always have to have the answer to everything it's okay to be like well I

don't know about that or I you know I don't have enough information yet and um it's uh it just seems to be like kind of

a perspective that we've we've lost but um I think so so just moving on from

this is just this this third point and and how you would effectively do your own research is that you need to develop

kind of rings of trust so you're you know um they have this sort of in

computer science where you have like ring zero ring one ring two and it and ring zero is like you know the kernel or

like uh you would have the most trust so you for example you would trust maybe um

your own your eyes and ears and and like things you've seen or experiences like if you're in a war zone you saw you know

Hamas massacring you um like some Jewish settlers or something like that you

could be like oh it's uh like I saw that happen like I you know there's no nobody's going to tell me that that didn't happen um so ring zero would be

that and then ring one would be people that maybe are in the public domain that have a reputation that they want to

protect so they're you know that um sort of like a reputation that they want to

protect but have also been proved to be correct in the past and it's almost like it's it's like they collect should

collect points in your mind to be like I have a tremendous amount of trust in for example like a um a Jordan Peterson like

I really think that he is striving for the truth and I think that he's I don't

think he speaks out of school like sometimes he'll make a comments a little like um maybe ugly or something but I

don't think that he's intentionally trying to misrepresent anything um and there are

other people that I I feel that I think that Brett there's nothing wrong with getting something wrong person

intentions are only but the best right right and it's the intentions I think is

it to make money is it to corrupt people or is it just to keep your podcast going right like a criminal organization can

get a lot of things right right but it's still a criminal organization yeah and a a Bine let's call it a church let's say

can get a lot of things wrong but it's still trying to do the best for Humanity right right and and like there are a lot

of you know YouTube channels or or podcasters or Twitter um

handle that that they'll it's like they're they know their crowd they know

the people that are following them and they know how to tweak whatever it is to sort of inflame them so it's like they can keep getting their social media the

funni thing is when they have these little polls inside their like 30,000 followers of which 99% think exactly

like them do you see that's how the whole world should vote right it's really in a sense dangerous because

they've built their own little cult M and then they just keep bouncing it and just reinforces and you talk about rings

of trust how many rings do they have yeah exactly so they would actually be on ring four in this situation but well

but so anyway like so you the sort of the next ring would be like friends and family that may may be less trustworthy

or may not know enough about a certain topic but you at least trust that they have your best interest in heart or

whatever so you kind of move out from that so then you know you you um the more the further out you go the less

trustworthy something is but you can kind of build build a network of trust so that maybe if you don't you know maybe I don't want to research Arch the

late you know the war in Ukraine and find out okay what do I have to know about this that I um um do I you know I

have to now research the history of these two countries and you know let's look at the budgets and where the money

went and this and that it's like well or you could just sort of if if you have some podcaster that you listen to that

you know we've trusted for other reasons and they have a reputation to protect maybe you put a some of your trust in

that and then you can kind of feed on that and it doesn't mean you're an expert in the field but at least you can have an opinion on the based on stuff

you're hearing from that and be fairly confident that you're going in the right direction um I think I'll just brush

through the last couple of ones so like number four I'd say you need to recognize the difference between fact and opinion sort of more really like

kind of like number one it's the same thing and then number five which I think is important is just learning how to organize your data because it be can be

overwhelming I'm sure you know because you certainly did a lot of covid research and it's hard to like like

you've got to keep that stuff somehow like you know literally organized so that you can reference something in the past it's like you know it's like well

what did I hear about that study that time and where did I hear it like you've got to be able to go back to that so you can kind of inculcate that information

into your mind and when you do cuz I do have these debates on X they lose their oh they don't expect because most

people don't a lot of the antivaxer crowd are just like memes and they throw memes up like you're not going to win like that yeah you know and if anything

you have to be extra if you're in the position of David you have to be extra organized because Goliath has their

organized and they got way more studies proving what they want to prove right so every little study you can find is like

literally your slingshot right so you don't want to show up to that fight with all without the most amount of rocks for

your slingshot possible right yeah so yeah and yeah for sure but like would you not say like not doing your own

research people who promote that are basic basically just telling you stop

reading and how how is that ever going to be good for Humanity yeah I I I agree

that that's not good but I don't I don't necessarily I think some people maybe are saying that but I think like you

know you've heard Sam think a lot are s to cut you I think a lot like we're going to take this down we're going to put that up we're going to block it

you're going to put a little sensor thing on it like there's a lot to say turn away don't go here good people

don't read this you get your little fact checks that come up which of course are sponsored by very dubious groups and not

particular you can just check the LinkedIn sometimes of the researcher and find out like a defunct journalist that hasn't anything in 5 years like it's

just ridiculous you know yeah I I do think that that exists I think we saw a lot of it during Co um but I think there

are some people that are genuinely um like we've talked about Sam Harris before I think he'll talk about the

Perils of doing your own research and I think that he genuinely believes that it's a dangerous

thing to and I think he's what he's talking about is also the that same thing with a balance like yeah sure do some research but don't don't don't no

longer defer to experts in are or domains that you don't have an expertise in yeah ultimately I think I

don't know how you feel about Sam Harris I've listened to a lot of them I enjoy him I think he's got a position you know to you know he's got a seat at the table

you know but for me his position largely is he he doesn't how do I say it he

really doesn't know what he's talking about I feel like he's very calm he tries to be logical uh he tries to like

keep it simple but ultimately his his complexity of his thought is so

basic maybe that's what maybe that's what makes it appealing cuz it's like well yes of course uh there's no

spaghetti monster in the sky believing in God is just ridiculous like he I just find him he Cherry picks the most straw

man arguments of the other side he never goes full in for the for the uh what's the opposite of straw man um Steelman

Steelman he never I never see him fullon keep steam mailing whereas someone like Jordan Peterson always goes after the

other person's best argument right right and you can see this directional energy thing and so

when I keep seeing him hit below the belt it's like a boxing match like really you keep going below the belt you

know I mean I don't I don't necessarily agree with that like I don't think that I I'm not sure I've heard him do that on

a regular basis like I've always enjoyed the Harris Peterson debates and I think

that I I don't know I I think there is certainly a part of Sam Harris that is his elocution is such uh his Mastery

over the language and his sort of the way he relates stories and and his his

um the his tamber or whatever like he he the way he speaks is such that it's it's

easy to listen to true but during those debates for sure for sure you have to bring all your weapons to the table but

ultimately when I see him debating someone like Peterson on whether there's a God or not and I I've watched them

several times Peterson was actually not so eloquent he was kind of bumbling around but he was searching for the

truth in the debate whereas I felt like Sam Harris was trying to win the debate and that's the cheapness of it I

find I yeah was he looking for a truth or was he just trying to show that he's

right the weakness of his arguments but I don't think that I think the the point of that is that he already has had that

he's already done that searching so he's kind of he's not wondering anymore he's he's like for him whether he's right or

whether he wins the debate is the same thing right like well cuz he's taking in a sense it's very easy his position

taking the atheistic position is far easier than saying I believe in something I can't prove right so yeah

like he's already I just find it cheap like he's like I've taken the easier answer and I don't need to think anymore

no wonder he's not into doing your own research whereas Peterson is still actually struggling to figure this out

he's doing more reading on the subject he's wrestling with the idea the other guy's simply like well I don't need to

prove anything CU you're the one that's postulating there's a man in the sky I'm done I always find that such a cop out

it's literally the most hardest question on earth like well if since you can't prove it to me then I just don't really

need to do much more I'm taking the scientific route that come on bro but I think he's hit a point I mean I think

going down that study you know you hit a point where you're like you're out of

like what else is he supposed to um like what is he supposed to be exploring like there well he didn't even play with

Peterson's ideas so much he wasn't like well I understand but and then like trying to show why it could be wrong it

was just very it just felt very grade school I mean I yeah the Leafs are the

best and I'll tell you why and it was like very simple but you haven't want like well tell me you know and Peterson's trying to figure out what makes a team better and you know the

whole league and this what created hockey to begin with like it's a whole complex thing he's like well the Leafs

haven't won 6667 your team sucks like it's very simple with his

approach but you it kind of go down the I mean I would say that if you're if I'm

arguing with like to take the atheistic perspective for a second I would say that you know you can talk all you want

about um how in the Bible this happened or that happened and what about this and what about that it's like yeah but at

the end of the day you're still stuck with the same absurd um proposition that

that God exists and you just have to believe in him and and I don't know how much dancing around like how much like

how much of yourself can you uh really invest in somebody else's sort of fantasy like and taking that perspective

like I happen to believe like I'm not atheist right so it's like um but I can certainly understand that somebody who

is atheist how it would be hard to say take any of that seriously and be able to um properly like indulge

it you know yeah I don't know I just uh I just I don't feel he's acting in the

spirit of true Academia I think he's just taking a very simple he's following status quo back to to that I think his

is the status quo answer of the age and that's why he's made it up the top I don't think he's actually earned himself

a space he's he's deserves a space but he hasn't like truly like because he has

something to say and he's part of the whole int intellectual dark web thing but I can't say he's truly earned it

I've never been wowed by a thought from Sam Harris oh I mean I I I think he's I

think he's a great speaker in any case and I think he has some interesting points I don't know that there's been I

mean he's not Eric Weinstein or you know what I mean like but but he does have an interesting perspective on um yeah and

you need him like you need everyone at the table like if you're going to take a classical liberal approach you have to bring left and right and everybody

together but he would agree of tweets like this Sam Harris so fizer had a tweet okay like um this is almost

verbatim um this is verbatim fiser tweet wouldn't it be great if a few internet

searches could land you a PhD thank goodness for real scientists you can

literally hear Sam Harris on that statement yeah and do you like that statement does it sound like a

scientific statement to you does it sound like it's going to empower the individual no but only because I'm

cynical toward like I think the idea of there being sort of real scientists like there are legitimately real scientists

like that most people don't know how quantum physics works most people don't understand like um data

science right like it's it's so you have to the essence of that tweet is shut the up you don't know what the hell

you're talking about yeah because a lot of people are out there on Twitter like saying they well they shouldn't be they shouldn't be so easily so here's another

one it should like you could reverse that wouldn't it be great if scientists today weren't so easily defeated by a

few internet searches okay the point though I think

being made with like I I certainly understand the cynicism hearing a quote like that but you have

um you're running into a situ okay so for for example like let's get away from Co because I think let's talk about

climate change or not not not going down any topic or whatever so with climate change I mean you're talking you're

taking it from the the people who are um saying that you know this is a very this is the most urgent uh subject that we

should be talking about and like my God we've got to shut down all of our um gas fired power plants and everything like

that it's like if you if other people are coming back and the retort to that is simply no we don't communist or

something like that you're not going to get my money or whatever it's like that's just a lazy argument I think that that's what that's addressing is there's

a lot of that out there and and it and it and it builds momentum like you you could say the Trump's whole base like

there's a lot of his base that is kind of that mindset where it's like yeah like but that dummies on one side they

exist on equal distribution on both sides yeah you know Christina guard I don't know if you saw you know the IMF

chairman I don't CHR leard you know she said at um some you know Symposium in

Europe last week about climate change and it's the existential threat of Our Generation and we all the things we need to change and at the end she goes we

even have to get rid of Bank notes so like basically paper money

paper trees trees climate really like so some just she's the expert what am I

going to sit there like doesn't your doesn't doesn't set off a radar at that moment and yes it gets down the conspiracy theorist route like oh

they're going to make it a cashless Society but she literally said we're going to get rid of so you're supposed to just turn off your brain at that

point no I but I think you can they experts know what's better for us in this digital age what what's next

shoelaces how about all the Uber Eats that brings box yeah like everyone's got shoelaces you know velcro is the way to

go you know um or uh you you just being alive is going to have a detrimental

effect on on human on the earth let's say right right so that's where like

it she's there she's talking she's got the most perfect hair beautiful always a nice tan speaking eloquently and you

just literally said to the masses we need to get rid of paper money because of climate and if you follow the Sam

Harris approach basically he's like well shut up and just listen to the expert but again I just think it's more nuanced

than that I think it's I don't like you can always cherry pick there's always somebody who's saying something that is um yeah but she's a high you know sure

and I'm sure there's things she like first of all these people aren't perfect and they they'll say things like I first of all I don't know that I believe that

it's some sort of agenda that's being pushed maybe it is I I'm totally open that idea but

it's you you can also hear somebody talking like like I'll say some things

that are just like you know I'll be like ah I wish I didn't say that or I phrase that wrong or people are going interpret that the wrong way planned written

statements you know I don't even know if there's such a thing as conspiracy theories rather than in terms of Christine lagard and climate and

banknotes like converging interests and when you put enough people together

where the interests converge around a single idea it just takes shape um

ubiquitously organically and it just happens I think that's the magic of it you're not going to find the person

behind the curtain with the little piece of paper like haha these are my plans to destroy the world like it doesn't work

like that MH because if you did know if anyone really wanted to do that they'd be putting themselves in dangerous way

you let everyone else do it for you yeah like I'm I'm all for [Music]

um I'm all for people having open discussions about

what like maybe maybe we do need to get rid of Bank notes for climate but let's talk about the reasons for that and

let's hear an open debate and like if she just dropped the bomb right so if

somebody's like saying that it's like I'm okay with that proposition as long as people are able to counter that and

then we get to hear them and it's not just dismissed as conspiracy or this and that right it was like the high priestess talking to the masses or or in

a different way um if you go back to sort of the feudalism approach the King who has the authority of God is using

the villagers of pitch Port going you're going to not trust uh what the king says

like the the supporters of the king and him being you know one with God sort of thing not knowing that those ponds those

villagers are being used as pawns to protect the power and that's is it a conspiracy

theory no it's just converging interests right you know so so something like that

how do you do your okay you can it's like the it's again just to stand

that it's like you watch the medich on Netflix at all the whole Renaissance and you know Florence and then Florence

versus Rome but it's very interesting like you think in those Powers the church was the ultimate power then you

know and they wanted to maintain that the world was flat and they used every expert out there like to shame everybody

to like use them to protect their power right so it's really just about using

other people to protect power I do think it's funny that people not doing your own research that's why sorry that's why

doing your own research really empowers the individual despite the risks are worth the uh the

gains so it's funny though because if you talk about that and you're doing your own research back in those days and

you're like well wait a minute I did do the own my own research and you know whatever you're calculating ballistics

or something you're like yeah the Earth is clearly round so then what benefit does that give you other

than you become almost like a Cassandra where you you have this knowledge of a different way and nobody's going to

believe you anyway like the people who are doing their own research nowadays just like back then are the ones that are just castigated from society so it's

exactly they're not following status quo they're not going to get promoted for doing this they're standing out saying the King has no power so how do you the

emperor has no clothes right how do you how do you get a mass um of people to

like it's sort of like it's like we're going through the same uh pantomim again and again with with the same sorts of

results like those in power always sort of remain in power so like what's the what's the antidote to that like what's

the thing that's going to break I mean we're in this time of transitioning Technologies and everything like in in

many ways we have more information than we've ever had before more exposure to stuff and I feel like if anytime there's

going to be a break in that um Power structure it would happen at a time like this where everything's still sort of in

transition like they kind of haven't figured out how to well they're trying to pull it back in the Genies almost get

out of the bottle it's almost Enlightenment 2.0 and the church meaning power is trying everything to bottle it

up of which I would say Sam Harris is one of the chief instigators of that the chief priests yeah the chief he's the

yeah um but I think I I guess and I hate to keep coming back to the Sam Harris thing but it's like um I can't help but

like we have there has to be people like I believe Sam's intentions are good I

just might not agree with him in a lot of ways right like so I don't think I agree I don't think he's an evil person

but I think we have to be able to have people that we include at the table for

like we have to be able to disagree with people disagree with a lot of what they say even and still listen to them and

course but that's doing your own research now and making sure you don't fall down an echo chamber like my dream

app let's say for X is at the end of the month they would give you a little readout personal you know 100% your own

privacy but you've been reading tweets let's say that have been skewed to this side would you like to read some tweets

from the other side but how would you define the side and like that's well let's say they they have to when you

create a verified account let's say you have to like push a meter where you find yourself aligned or something like that

right so it's like all transparent you know like I I'm sort of center six out of 10 center right sort of thing you

know and then you could even build in gentle incentives well if you want premium you can just pay a little less

if you actually spend 15 minutes looking at the other side if you want free go ahead just you know you just get ads on

there and you can do whatever you want right and you give the person the gentle nudge Without Really stepping on their

toes at all you and treating them like an adult like you make your own adult decision

man they might they might not like it at first and resist it but over time like you know what and I I really enjoy the

back and forths I have even when I'm for three hours you know like sending a a thousand different posts back and forth

I I enjoy cuz occasionally I get good push back mhm you know yeah it's painful

it's like going to the gym it hurts we come out stronger right you know and I think that that pain and that pain can

be excommunicated from society excommunicated from your job we saw it through Co you know excommunicated from

um whatever um you know there was things like should we treat people going to the hospital if they didn't get vaccinated

but you have to be willing to take the pain in order to grow yeah and I don't think that resilience is built into

people anymore I think it's amazing how people like everybody will say like oh

you know history repeats itself and that kind of thing and and yet people always think they're the exception of the rule

and they don't they always think that the time they're living is in is the exception to the rule like during Co it

really was the same mentality um as you know Germany in the late 1930s right so

like it's that same follow like follow the science Follow the Leader like this is what we're doing everybody fall in

line and you think the Germans didn't have all kinds of Statistics from the experts about why the Jewish people were

bad oh yeah yeah right they had data to show them why they must leave mhm right and the German people for the most part

were an educated population at that time so they were easier to be indoctrinated and trained to hate other people it's

almost like you need to have a little bit of that Rocky Balboa Instinct ignorance in you sometimes and to temper

it with the indoctrination of things right yeah for sure yeah but I mean so

yeah like I think that you you know you have that these days and it's kind of like I don't know it's a real uphill battle

like how do you do how do you how do you sort of put a stake in the ground and

say um this is the way like we really did have that challenge with Co right

like it's like we people I tried to do it right like I put my steak in the ground I'm like I'm not taking this vaccine like I know it's it's uh it's a

bad you know I just don't feel right about it like research I've done yeah it's just not my thing and then of course the pressure the pressure the

pressure and then finally like it it's like I want to be able to live my life like I'm tired of and so I caved in

the same way maybe I would have been one who would have said like yeah like okay sorry like I liked you as my neighbor Jewish person but PR the pressure is

real though like when we watch movies like Braveheart everybody idolizes that I would be just like Braveheart right

right the day he died everybody was standing there in the crowd cheering him on to die yeah that the crowd is the

masses and he died lonely yeah there's that moment where when he dies the Irish Irish man's everyone else's eyes kind of

drops in sorrow or sadness and do you remember the scene what happens with his eyes the Irishman no a good old Catholic

his ey his ey his eyes opened wide everyone else dropped their heads and I

think you know B Gibson's an intelligent man that wasn't just some random oh he

acted in that particular way they were showing us that what the Irish men noticed that no one else saw is that he

was witnessing Revelation it's he was witnessing God he was W witnessing why we are alive and

the word that came out of Brave heart's mouth at that moment as he died his last

word was freedom and no one else they felt shame that they couldn't be as

strong as him so they dropped their heads and the Irishman realized what the he was watching you know and very

few people in the moment can do that most will drop their heads and follow status quo and move on right I'm

supposed to hate Jewish people because that's what the the ruling part Party Experts say fine I'll move on right it's

very hard to stand up and uh you have to be willing to die you have to be willing to sacrifice everything they really will

push you to that limit so never feel bad if you went as far as was logically possible and then have to Cave if

everybody just pushed back as much as you they would never get anywhere in fact if just 10% of the population was push back that's all it

requires yeah that's why the that's why tyranny grows in silence and that's why speaking and sharing and quote unquote

doing your own research is so important because they want us to be silent they want us to be like the crowd and just

put our heads down it's funny though I mean because with the co thing like I did do my own research and I I wasn't

100% sure that the vaccines were were not safe I was just I was I felt more

comfortable saying you know what I don't think I should I don't want to do this for me like I'm you know don't want

people can do whatever they want but I don't want to do this for me and I also don't like the pressure I don't like the censorship something's up and I don't

like it so I might have done my own research I came to the right conclusion or what I thought was the right conclusion at the time but then I still

caved because of the pressure so you can we we're sitting here talking about people doing their own research but maybe it's something more than just the

knowledge of like you need to do your own research and then have the courage of your convictions I guess to some

extent right get comfortable being lonely in a sense there's nothing wrong with that

you know there's a reason why monks go off in the mountains by themselves you know they're not like both they're not with Society in a sense yeah they've

walked away from all that yeah there is um and maybe that's the sort of thing we need to train into oursel into our next

generation of kids even more I believe it can be trained into people it's inherent but you can you can you can

grow and nurture that part of our um I was going to say soul but like our our reaction to things in the world right

but that is that every they do everything they can to try to get that out of us and that's why I really don't like the pronouns it's very much a

Marxist game they're going to use language against you CU it's like taking the knee once you accept the pronoun

then you have to accept everything else that follows like it's very psychological you know and to draw that

line you know they're going to use words like kindness and diversity and inclusion they use those words against

us and in this case of Co they were using the you know community and help the other person and don't kill grandma

like it's a very tricky game to push back against that language is so powerful and it's so easily wielded

against someone especially in Game Theory they're going to give you two options and neither of which are going

to be good for you and make you feel like you have the option but really there's a third and fourth option they

don't want you to know about that you know there's no way of knowing if we're we're always being watched in all these

sort of decisions we make in our life but they want us to live with the assumption that we're always being watched and then they control us or

actually we don't even realize it we are controlling ourselves yeah that's that's that's the

magic that's the ultimate uh that's the ultimate goal I think I mean you know assuming there was an ultimate goal that

would be the ultimate goal of a theoretically totalitarian um entity yeah you just do

it or I hate this expression because it's not always true but it's like a uh you get the government you deserve so it

really comes down to you and what kind of world you want to build yeah you know I would really call something like the freedom Convoy in retrospect like

Enlightenment 2.0 it was very hard to go out and do that people like what did they sacrifice there were a bunch of domestic terrorists and did you see news

lately about the one guy on the balcony and they found out that he was actually like a liberal guy guy oh no there was a guy on the balcony that went viral and

he was screaming uh obscenities of the truckers and kind of went viral no one ever knew who he was so he ended up

becoming like a a pretty notable liberal so now the Liberals like yes do you see

that that's a Canadian Heritage moment you are shouting down the truckers not realizing that the people are there

because they are experiencing tyranny yeah they turn the victim into the Tyrant I think that that you know still

that that moment the the trucker Convoy what a uh what a Monumental moment I

think in Canadian history like I think we we haven't even sort of appreciated it yet oh no because the CBC and everything has crushed and entered it

into like our Insurrection yeah did you watch at all the uh the latest Federal Court ruling right so I don't know so

because most people aren't following that right so well there was the initial inquiry that came out like a year ago it

had one single let's call it a judge who was a liberal person and even he had said um I could see how a reasonable

yeah I can see how a reasonable person would come to a different conclusion with this sort of information so it was very wishy-washy but he gave a rubber

stamp on the actions of the government right and the actions being like seizing bank accounts yeah for those who don't

know we have like an emergencies act and it's basically the the thermal nuclear option where the government has all powers on everything including freezing

freezing bank accounts of people who have not been either charged or convicted

yeah some real uh um unbelievable right so um and none of

this means that the truckers didn't need to be removed the question is whether the methods in which they removed them

fell under the were they is it something local police could have done or

iseral and everybody came out and said we had this and the proof is in the pudding because the Ambassador Bridge

which ties Windor to Detroit had already been cleared up M and the the Cs one in

Alberta had already started to be cleared up now you could argue it was more entrenched in Ottawa but

nevertheless this is the thermal nucle so there was a federal federal court came to a decision about two three weeks

ago so the end of 2023 early 2024 and in this particular court case

several I believe citizens took the government to task yeah and it was this

judge found that he said with hindsight you know um I can understand the

difficulty the government had in coming to this decision but with the benefit of hindsight it was the wrong thing and

they violated Canadians Charter rights yeah outstanding even if they take it to

an appeals that will always last in the books right and he even said something to the effect of even I didn't realize

the true nature of the Convoy and when I actually interviewed and got to speak with these people it was completely not

what was portrayed on television right so he had to literally do his own research he was told not to though yeah

just turn on the news and follow it and when he actually spoke to them on a human level he's like no this wasn't

tyranny this wasn't Nazis of flags this wasn't people who wanted to take down the government these are people who are

being denied organ transplants because they didn't get a covid vaccine M isn't it amazing you just mentioned that about

him doing his own research and finding out because I was when I read his decision I was surprised I was like of

course that was the right decision of course that was a violation of Charter of Rights like when it was happening in real time the two of us who were doing

our own research were like you know you could see how egregious this was you could live stream the stuff that was

happening in Ottawa and it was like well you know these these these aren't at all how they're being portrayed in the

mainstream media you could clearly see the the difference in that and um it's not until this person did his own

research uh this judge that he also came to the same conclusion but it's interesting that even you know even a federal judge can yeah like be sort of

duped by that I think when you're really in mesed in this like when you're really doing your own research can really

sometimes be shocked at that disparity like well isn't the judge going to be one of the Hallmarks of somebody following status

quo I guess but I usually think that people like judges and sort of that upper ecolon of society kind of know how

the game's played and kind of like oh then willful ignorance or maybe he you know I don't

know maybe he just said that you know he's kind of like I I don't know but the media portrayed one thing it's basically

like the church saying these all people need to be excommunicated or these are all the Jewish people in Germany you know we have to get rid of them and

finding out it's completely not the way it was supposed portrayed not that there wasn't problems or issues of course but

again the point of this podcast is like doing your own research that was such a giant moment and the centralized power

that told you we will be your single source of the truth was lying right

right so what option do you have you have to do your own research yeah and take what comes like because it's

because if you all if we allow um truth to be centralized then that is

a system that can be far too easily manipulated by evil characters if not

now in the future yeah isn't it interesting to think of for example uh this judge and I for all I know I I

really hope our judicial system is you know they're actually looking at cases and um you know basing it basing their

decisions on the law um even though I think a lot of our laws should be changed but but I do think that it's important that the judicial you know

stays unbiased and is doing that work and they could very well be but I also

think it's interesting that the tide is Shifting to some extent and this stuff has been normalized where it's like you know I think a lot of people now like

certainly way more than at the time think that um the prot that that seizing

bank accounts was obviously the wrong thing to do and like um calling in the emergencies Act was probably the wrong

thing to do um it almost makes me think of like you know Germans in 1946 or you

know after the war that are just you know it's like it's almost like the they shake their head like a the dog dog

would kind of shake their head kind of likey yeah and they're like whoa what was I doing there like you know what's going to be the pivotal factor in the

future of humanity and I in terms of this research and empowerment or

disempowerment of the individual the cell phone because the cell phone is literally your supercomputer to talk to

anyone on Earth anywhere you are and share information in real time or if it

can be your digital ID where your driver's license your blood work your vaccination your banking your digital

currencies is there and it will be the greatest psychological manipulator living in your pocket and getting you to

do things uh that you don't even realize you're doing because a notification pops up and tells you well you need to spend

your digital currency in the next 30 days or will be worth 80% of the money because of diversity you well we going

to put 20% towards climate change so there's a deadline on like you can start manipulating habits to a

individual level that has never been seen before yeah like once Mass adoption

of cbdcs comes to place like it's I think game over like that's why again with Bitcoin like it's you know it's

such an important um revolutionary thing and I actually think blockchain I we didn't

really get into it but I is will be really important going forward in this new uh age in terms of authentication

and in terms of like people having identities that you can know sort of unquestionably that somebody is who they

say they are a video is what it says it is you know it really comes down to like

like that technology has to be out of the hands of any one centralized Authority M so either way imagine so

you're going now have like you know a Global Currency it's either going to be decentralized and you have no countries

you know metaphorically or it's going to be centralized and it's going to be one one one country for the whole world

right yeah you know it's really it gets to the same result but in completely different ways yeah you know and I I

really believe in the decentralized approach so I'll just sort of like on

this like I think we've kind of hit a lot of good points but you know the truth doesn't require censorship I just

just let it go you know and if it and if if some bad stuff goes through the uh

the seeve is that what it's called the Civ okay if some stuff makes it through right yeah um it's funny you read words

a lot but you don't play with them in real life but if if if if some bad stuff makes it through it's far better that

the individual decides that than some centralized Authority and then that's the point of Education uh to teach

people how to really do your own research to and to always

question corporations and your governments not to just take them at like some because you know this whole

tying in of like social values into our like every corporation now has to be like the new church look at us we're

doing so much for the community no no just you know what just did my money go on the bank is it fine like you

don't have to solve world problems so they're they're just making us like in a sense adore them right through their

actions and the same so to be skeptical of all that a healthy skeptical to keep teaching that at the ground level all

the way through it's kind of like the reverse of what Yuri bezoff would say you know in terms of uh active measures

and changing the population over time we've had this sort of way of thinking of over centralization and deferring

responsibility for a generation or so now I think it's time we start the slow

road back to empowering the individual from kindergarten right through the end of the University years so that in 2025

years when all this technology has matured it'll be strong willed

independent healthy people calling the shots right

yeah I think that's the way back I'm I'm so skeptical that that will be the case

but well why would they want it to allow that power and this is where being critical of governments power likes to collect

more power you know one thing I think the states got the United States got much more right than us it's the whole U

term limits like you can only be twice you know um I used to not like that as a child I'm like well let me decide who I

want to vote for it but now I understand power wants more power so we need to start instituting laws that limit the

rules of government not allow it to extend to like climate change and The Who and these uh organizations that

supersede the nation state you know like it's really becoming a whole other when we said rings of security we're getting

a whole other ring that's wrapping around the Earth right now right and we need to break that ring the down

down to the individual level and of course there collaboration and sharing of information but not power structures

that tie you into actions you may not want to do yeah as a nation and as an

individual yeah I um I I'm I think corporations are really um just as bad

as governments at this point like I OB you know you mention both they're one the same right now you know I I got my

uh I got a Tim Horton's Coffee on my way over here which is like and it was the usual kind of mediocre yet strangely

nostalgically satisfying coffee that I always have but it's um I I saw the

banner there's a picture of all the Tim Horton employees it's just like a you know it was like a little picture in like up it was like posted up by the

cash register and I looked at it and it was like was like I think six people on it it was like I think five women um it

was just showing all these sort of Tim Horton's employees and there were it was like every everybody was a different color you know it had the distrib yeah

there's like one woman who you know clearly looked like maybe she was queer like she had spiky hair it's like what the that crazy they're just going

in it's like so CU you know there's board meetings on this you know people are like okay like what are we going to

do we got to represent uh we got someone there for the queer community in there like and what about this one let's make

their hair a little spikier so so people we got one of those we one is that a new

form of slavery these are basically their slaves going we own these images and we're going to sell them to you like

literally you're selling me an image right of a person's race or gender or sexual preference to make me buy your

water right and it's such a shame that this has happened because now I can only view it cynically like I

never think to myself oh they're just trying to represent their exactly like I always think it's like no they've had some nefarious board meeting where

they've they've set up like it's just this pure corporate like let's appe let's check these boxes because that's

what people want now we'll sell more product we were watching a a movie a couple weeks ago my wife and I it was a

'90s movie and it had it had a nice distribution of um genders and and races in it and I'm like do you remember when

we watch this movie I'm like what a nice cool movie it wasn't forced in the least just like oh that's an interesting

character that's a good actor though I like the way they fleshed it out it looks like the world we live in and it was like the last thing you thought of

like back then it really was yeah totally um and nowadays you can see it's the first thing they think of it's like

we're going to this is going to supersede character development story actual acting ability we need to have

this right and I honestly it's for me it's a new form of racism because all they see is race and nothing else after

yeah know this is why I find myself just watching old movies like I'm not interest like like there's nothing you

know I don't know the quality is shot down and and I'm always on the lookout for things like that now it's just uh

unfortunate yeah it just feels fake and forced and you're actually using these poor people's races to sell sell an

image to like cleanse your soul it's like something probably like what the church when would go around in the Middle Ages and pay this amount of money

and we will let your soul leave Purgatory sort of thing you know that's your new carbon tax pay this and you

will now go to uh Nirvana yeah yeah

anyway yeah it's interesting right it's like some sort it's like some some form of social repentance yeah that's how I

see it you know we we in the past yeah but it's not I mean if it was even that

um genuine I it wouldn't be as bad I agree I would still sort of be against it because it's like well I didn't do

anything or you know whatever but but I would at least appreciate that I was like okay I can understand that but it's

it's now been co-opted by corporations and governments to be like oh this is how we can control people this is how

every nation needs its origin story and they're always full of lies of course but when you start to then try to tell

the next Generations maybe 100 years 200 years later it wasn't quite like that and maybe we embellish some stuff don't

go too far where that nobody has faith in the actual country they they they could call home because now you're going

to just have degradation of everything yeah like new immigrants that want to move to let's say Canada are they going to be as proud as previous immigrants

well this country you know colonialism and is and now we know things you know um and it actually really hurts social

integration well I'm sure you followed I don't know this is kind of off topic actually so I but it's that's right

I'm sure you followed in so in Canada where we they did that recent change in

students coming to Canal International students so I had no idea there were so

many International students that were coming to Canada and I guess this whole Market had developed where um these

major institutions were pairing with like um you know shopping mall uh um

colleges or whatever whatever they would call them but like basically people would pay their inflated tuition fees

come over to Canada and basically be they could work simultaneously while

sort of pursuing their education and then they would get a degree and they'd I think be able to you know work in Canada for X number of years after that

or something like that or there was some sort of there was it was basically allowing a lot of people to kind of come over to Canada and also um you know work

on the side and saying you know nothing about the people who are doing that because like that's to me pretty

ambitious to kind of do that and or also working in this and that but the problem is is like it's just this is what's created there were so many of them I

guess that this really contributed to the rise in house prices and you know the the unaffordability that people find

have too much of a good thing yeah so I heard this sort of because here in Canada they put a cap on tuitions a

couple years ago and then they also reduced the amount of subsidies they were getting from the government because

here in Canada a lot of the University education is subsidized by the government so then that put a financial

crunch on the institutions so they started hunting for more International students H yeah yeah yeah yeah because

they can raise that I I think I heard somewhere that it was like you know six times higher or something like that it's

crazy it's just not cool and there is again yeah like when I was all about

like saying building the next generation of leaders um it it the fish rots from the head so we need to start fixing

fixing education immediately right yeah okay so yeah like I I guess um this is I

guess where we need to figure out in this podcast I find that we sometimes go down uh we we we get a little away from

the subject we we got to try and make it more compact but that's uh that's on us folks um do you have anything else to

say on this doing your own research like I'll give you a nice quote great love a good qu a state of War only serves as an

excuse for domestic tyranny and that's zisin zisin yeah saniskin yes yeah um

that's a great one a state of War a state of War only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny yeah I like that

one I don't know if I agree with that but yeah well we're in a constant war against climate a war against

information guess if War it all started with a war against drugs war against Terror the infinity Wars yeah yeah and

as long as you have that pressure on it only forces everybody because at a state of War your senses are heightened so

you're going to keep your head down and say status quo it's a way to keep us in status quo

that in debt slavery but that's a whole other show right okay all right well thank you for listening

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