16 - A Confederacy of Dunces

Transcript

taking pronouns and allowing to say I now kneel at the knee of wokeness has

geopolitical consequences yeah culminating in wars that could lead to World War I because

it's completely the mindset yeah the woke crowd sees the Palestinians as the tip of the sword against Western colon

colonization of the Middle East congrats wokeism has just supported terrorism and

it's unveiled its very authoritarian hand m

[Music]

sh hello everyone my name is Jason I'm here with Dimitri hello and uh welcome to

inter discourse I'd like to have a little uh conversation today uh it's been a while since we've had a show actually uh

contrary to our planned uh um deployment Cadence that we had uh we H for for this

year but it has been a weird busy year I think for for both of us and for everybody I mean this this just things

seem to get crazier and crazier in this uh wacky world of ours um

to today we want to focus though on the uh devastating October 7th attacks and um and the more specifically the Western

reaction uh to those attacks try and ascertain the psychology behind what is

motivating the protests and the um the divisions that we're seeing and in and

what really should be an a fairly um straightforward um um and you would

think it fairly um uniting uh event uh

you would think that the response to this would have been sort of different than it's been um and we're just going to try and understand that as best as we

can um I guess we should start off just a little bit with u i mean obviously

there's been a lot of coverage of these attacks and um the subsequent um invasion of

Gaza okay so let's let's let's start on this obviously um you know Hamas October

7th um sent in I don't know a few thousand um uh I I want to call them troops but um you know I I um uh what

would you call them Freedom Fighters Jay sure uh liberators um uh no so so we

sent in so they sent in a um a sort of a a battalion of um Fighters across the

border um like a like a doth Rocky horde and uh they went in and um butchered a

bunch of um civilians and then holding they sort of locked down a few areas for

a few hours uh devastated much of the population that they really whatever they could get their hands on uh and

then retreated back to their uh um various bunkers in Gaza um we have

um um the the Israeli response was um not as Swift as I would have thought uh

to this but they did um unprecedent slow yeah it was quite slow and I think it was very measured and was probably due

to the fact that there's obviously going to be this this whole you know their response would be sort of forensically

examined by everybody uh who had an opinion on the matter and um they were really being held under

the microscope as to how they would respond to this um I mean there's a few

angles we sort of have somewhat limited amount of time to get into all this but I you know I I think that the Israeli

intelligence failure you know obviously was catastrophic and whether this was a

true failure in the sense that um you know they just like didn't do their jobs like uh

you know somebody is to blame for that for that you know catastrophic failure like you know I you know I've always

seen you always hear about uh mad and you hear about the Israeli Defense Forces and you always think of like kind

of elite top you know highly trained Fighters you know their their whole population is like a um you know a a

reservoir of um of fighting force they they have a they they have a well

trained like you know for sure but and there's two I think there it's kind of like a Choose Your Own Adventure right now you can go either way like how do

they let this happen um or did they let it happen on purpose you've heard those sort of more cynical responses too right

um at any rate it's it's atypical for such an advanced machine mhm um the

point is where where did we go from there yeah cuz that's why I don't get bogged down in the did they let it happen or you know because it's it's

it's happened yeah you know and what what are you going to do to go forward from there true but that is a question that needs to be answered like maybe not

now but it's kind of like what I don't want out of this is

first of all that was my first reaction was this was somehow intentionally done by the Israeli government in the sense

that they let this happen now I you know that that was just my gut reaction at the time and to some extent I understand

like you can't kind of worry about that is that your anti-narrative slant creeping in I you know what I just

thought of all the borders like of all the places you know that there would be a weakness that that 3,000 troops or

whatever whatever the number was like would get across seemingly like with just such ease like a paragliders like

and then all of you know and and and Rockets yeah and I've heard the explanations it's like okay well people were mostly deployed to the West Bank

and like you know they happened to hit at a time where there wer it wasn't like heavily fortified but it just didn't

make sense to to me but that's again you know this is just me speculating at the beginning of this and um I think there's

something to the sense that you can't get bogged down in that right now but I don't want this to be like you know the

weapons of mass destruction in Iraq thing and like years go by they were technically they were technically at a ceasefire too now M so maybe that plays

into it and did you know this like the types of um well they're still lobbing missiles over like really regularly so

it's not really yeah but I think it was yeah whatever that means you know from a western point of take Granite right it's

like you know it's like I mean what kind of a ceasefire is that you know like well I don't know I

you have to know how many rockets and what is it compared to previous times maybe that is considered a Seas they reduce the amount of rockas there yeah

but um did you know this the population that lives inside Israel closest to the Gaza Strip tend to be populated by

Israelis that are very Pro Palestinian I've heard that and they they're more uh

for lack of a better more the more hippie types like oh it's peace it's love we're going to set up near the wall

and to their credit completely to Israel they would bring over tens of thousands of Migrant workers from the Gaza Strip

daily yeah yeah to to work and to do yeah various whereas whereas I've heard in the West Bank you tend to get the

ones that are a little bit more standoffish the ones in the settlements you know so in a sense I think they're

populating the Land Based on the personality types right so that can play a little bit into your um how did this

happen and why did it take so long to respond sure yeah you can cuz you're like peace and love man and this starts

to happen you're not going to be like razor quick right I guess but Israel is I mean

they are a in many ways a besieged country you know like they they they are this tiny little strip of land

surrounded by enemies and um I I you know I they they never seemed the kind

of country to let their guard down um and that they've had to not let their guard down and that's what's allowed

them to flourish as well as they have but so I don't know I I would say that that was a big do you think do you think

in your heart they kind of let it happen a little bit not that they caused it yeah but they kind of said well because

I did hear like and it kind of died the story quickly there was like a Egyptian intelligent agencies giving them like

three days early warning that they were suspecting something to happen yeah that story kind of popped up and disappeared relatively quickly I think it's and to

plan this for over a year or two and not have a single person squeal is again atypical right but I don't really bog

down on that too much cuz like if they did let it happen you have to ask yourself why did they let it

happen what state are they at in this sort of marriage of the two couples you know and and why did they you know it's

it's the chicken or the egg how far back are we going to go yeah because maybe like you know what we've had it with this sort of situation let this sort of

thing kick off I don't know how big it's going to be and we're going to go back and now finish Gaza for good like you could see that being a way of thinking

that would gain Traction in a country like Israel yeah because to be quite Frank they've had 75 years of trying to make peace and they haven't been able

the fine piece right so that's why I kind of I I kind of go into that zone more like the the motives behind what

would have happened and how do you get out of it and then you can get really cynical in like netanyahu's um troubles

with the courts where they were trying to so I mean you know that's real cynical and I almost couldn't imagine

going there but but how did we get here like you know how do we so in order in order for that to even be playable that

has to have been many years of failed attempts right right and then how do you get out of the attempts I don't dwell on

that dat so much you know but this is what what kills me first of all I think intelligence agencies get a lot of you

know they get a lot of stuff and it's always trying to find like you can always find like oh yeah a year ago

Egypt reported uh you know there there you know there was some murmurs about this kind of thing happening but it's like it was like the 911 attacks there's

always like there's always reports on that stuff the job is to kind of filter through the noise but with this it was

um it's like it wasn't like a few stray uh I mean it wasn't like a few stray

people got through it was like like an organized coordinated like military assault so like uh that the fact that

that was successful I find suspicious but also like to to go into your

play did the events of October 7th by Hamas further the Palestinian

cause right did they not know this was going to happen yeah so that you spent two years planning to end up like

inevitably having your people destroyed yeah like congrats right no well that's

the other thing they'll never know we going to be so clandestine about this for over two years and then what's the

net effect well but so this is why I think is a division between the sort of

foot soldiers if you want to even call them soldiers and the uh and the people at the top like if this thing was

coordinated by Iran or some country like that like um you have for them it's like

sure let's you know let's break that you know Israel Saudi deal that they're trying to make let's let's let's make

sure the world remembers that this is a problem like we want we want people like we want people we want war we we don't

want peace we don't want Israel to be at peace so they're trying looking for like to destabilize the situation and the

people at the bottom are like it's almost like they're a pack of dogs and it's like okay here's a scent like go go get the Jews the truth is if you take

that logic I think to its final destination the only people that are actually caring about the Palestinians

are the Israelis mhm yeah and it may be a very you know even at this point you

know with the way that they're invading it's it's to Israel's benefit to make sure that they are very careful about it

but yeah I mean what did Hamas do in order to to to secure the Palestinians

in the last 15 20 years yeah and October 7th is literally the culmination of like exactly their mentality right right like

one step forward a thousand steps backwards right and so to that point then Iran is tapping Hamas who then uses

the Palestinian people and again I use that word Loosely because it's it's really just a region of did you know like genetically they're mostly like

they're actually Egyptians and like Jordanian surrounding areas okay and they actually came there after the Israeli people so they about 50 about

50% of the population right came there in the last 50 years so the Jewish people that came back in the last 75

years have actually been there about a quarter Century longer than those half of those who are living there now right so I Ed the word Palestinian just for

all intense air quotes because it's really a loose we need a word to Define it's like saying the West you know like

try to Define that but they're um they're being used so these poor people are being used by Hamas and by extension

Iran and I'll even go further by extension Russia if if Israel and America are one are we looking at

another proxy war here between Russia and America that was my the day of the

attacks the first thing I thought of was this is probably orchestrated by Iran and Russia probably had a hand in it

because Russia has the most to gain by like having a distraction like that happening at a time where America's

loyalty is then divided between or you know I should say their budget is then their their military aid budget is

divided between Ukraine and um Israel so um I don't think I think we're I mean

you know you taken all the circumstances of the election next year and all the the inflation of the you know that we're

experiencing right now in the west like this the all these sort of military expenditures is getting perilously close

to um you know I think a big problem for the West like I don't think that this can continue and I think that it

definitely you know whether Russia was involved or not I obviously don't know but it's um it certainly would benefit

them to be at this point now they've kind of put onto the playing field

Ukraine and Israel and if America only has the will or the finances to save one

which of the two are they going to save MH Israel like it's a brilliant play yeah

yeah yeah and again no one cares about and that's why like when I take the more Pro let's say Pro truuth but in this

case you know I'm definitely on the Israeli side but I would say they're the only ones that are actually showing any

empathy for these Palestinian people right definitely not their leadership for sure a leadership would try to make

peace yeah not go in like assassins in the middle of the night and go well you know right yeah it wasn't even like I

mean I so the the one meme that comes to mind is this the this one where you know

you see all these uh um uh Hamas with her like kalishnikov like racing in like

like Al walk bar or whatever Russian Russian guns by the way yeah yeah well but I mean they're pretty ubiquitous but

like um the but then and then the next day they're kind of like turning to the the world like with their hands folded

in prayer being like like kind of help us or whatever so this like well you know that's sort of the cycle right like

um and that's also do you know that's a little bit built into the whole like um the Quran do you know how it kind of

works one third one third one third when Muhammad was in his weaker State and he just had the original band of people the

first third of quotes in the Quran are like peace peace peace cuz it's like a it's like a military tactic in the

middle part of the Quran where they started to get a little more foothold like we're no we're we're religion of defensive we don't ever go on the attack

and once they had actually got solidified power that's where you get the more devastating quotes where it's like no full full court press right so

they're literally playing the The Playbook you start off in a very peace mode only to get yourself into a

defensive mode and then once you've secured that you go into the offensive mode which if you look back at like Empires like the ottoman empir exactly

how they played H yeah I it's an interesting I've heard that about the

Quran that a brilliant piece of work and it's much more simplified than Christianity like I'll give credit worth credits too it's a tidy single book very

good you know Christianity's got five six different books all over the place different you know it's just but nevertheless it's it's a it's a

political and a religious and a military game plan yeah and it's it's a very good

one and that's what we're seeing here in the west and we're very naive to it yeah you know there's an interesting quote by by sunsu you know sunsu right uh an evil

man will burn his own Nation to the ground to rule over the ashes right yeah and it's literally what we're looking at

here yeah and I think that's where Israel going back to your October 7th how it started whether it was whether

someone wants to take the more cynical approach they let it happen or not I think they've just lost their with these people they're like let it happen

then let her rip because we're going to do this you know we hope it doesn't but if it does we're going to do this

because I think that's the only do you really think there's going to be a two-state solution I don't think there should I to be

honest like if my my I think Israel should go in and um uh just Annex that

area and it's now Israel like that's now Israel you can have you know everybody can practice their religion everything

you know you tighten up on the security there's kind of No Nonsense anybody you know you can have if you have some sort

of freedom of assembly MIM it's naive to think you can have things like that in in Gaza but you you simply go in and

it's just Israel now uh and and you just take it over and it's like I think that sends a good signal to the West Bank as

well and it's kind of like enough of enough of this they're they're not I remember a long time ago people you know

I was read in some Forum we were talking like people were going back and forth about like um you know who should have

nuclear weapons and it was like I think this is when indan and Pakistan were both like kind of getting them this a while ago but um and you know the kind

of the the notion came across it's like well it's not fair that you know America gets to have them they get to dictate who can and can't and it's like I think

somebody responded and it was kind of like yeah but the problem is other nations aren't grown-ups like they're not adults they prove that they're not

adults and it doesn't matter what their culture is it doesn't matter any of this if they can't if you're talking about

the security of a Nation like like G like Hamas Gaza the Palestinian people have proved that they can't manage

themselves in this sense you know I would say you know the word anti-semitic is kind of strange because they're all Semitic peoples really when you're

looking at that region but I would say would you not agree that you know even though they could be

quite similar uh Israel is playing a very geopolitically Savvy 2023 game like you

said as adults how do you how do you conquer a land in a sense and and I don't mean this disparagingly but the

Arabs the Palestinians are playing kind of more the noble savage like since 1948

I've told you I don't agree with your country being here I said it to the United Nations and I haven't wavered at all right they're being very forthright

yeah you know like they haven't wavered they haven't played any kind of sneaky political game in that sense you know

but they're not being GE geopolitically mature not realizing the events of World

War II and World War I the break up of the Ottoman Empire and what that means and you know what when you when you don't side with the British in either

major war and the British win both major Wars and now the British have their British mandate over Palestine don't

expect too many favors right there there's there's something to be said about standing up for your for your team

or abandoning them and when you abandon them and lose there's going to be geopolitical consequences in this case

they haven't had the maturity to realize the consquences of their own decisions right so I think that's where we're

getting at so they're acting like the noble savage and Israel is acting like The geopolitically Savvy juggernut but

they're really the same people it's just taken completely because I would say they've had really different evolutionary paths like they started in

the same region but when the when the Jewish people left they ended up going to the empires of Western and Eastern Europe Austrian Austrian Hungarian

Empire Prussian Russian when you're inside a larger context of an

Empire you learn to deal with the situation at hand so they were a small ethnic group trying to blend in and

survive and they picking up skills when those Empires then collapsed and became like the ethnos states and they go well

what are these Jewish people doing here we want them out of our country culminating in Germany you know sort of thing with Hitler and they come back to

Israel they've just had 500 to A Thousand Years of Hardcore training on the geopolitical realities of the larger

world right and they now they come back home and they're like like okay let's apply the skills we've learned MH the

Arabs though never left they were underneath the Ottoman Empire and their daddy basically never let them learn

these sorts of things yeah so now we have a very like a scholar versus a high school student battling over the same

land right yeah right so I think that's where they diverged evolutionarily and

now we plopped them back together it reminds me of like uh how viruses propagate so if you have you know when

the Europeans came to North America the Europeans had been in big cities they had been like um mingling with other

peoples and other cultures so there was a lot of like sort of immunity built in just to their their bodies and it sort

of been passed down and Etc where North America you know it was fairly um uh

like they they just didn't have the exposure to large cities like they were mostly in smaller Villages so they didn't have like constant people and new

they weren't introduced to like new viruses or new um cultures and such so

when the Europeans did come you you know the all those viruses it was just like a complete that like that was the attack

you know they were just like riddled with um the like plagues and such because they their B they just weren't

used to it they hadn't a climatized it's evolutionary it's yeah you can literally say it's a biological evolution yeah you

know that's so now you're seeing these two like you said almost you want to call humans viruses but some some Eco

Green people would you know and they're back in the same Zone and one can't really seem to live with the other yeah

because they're completely approaching it but to your point about going in and you

know I don't I don't like the idea of like you know um forcibly moving these people out of of Gaza I can only

understand you once you go back three generations you feel like it's yours you know I totally understand that but the

truth is they've had a a chance to sign to have their own country on many many

numerous times I think about five or six times they could have had East Jerusalem as their

capital and signed they refused to sign a deal now was there things in these uh

agreements that they didn't like for sure but you know and and there has been times 20 years ago where we get into

debates about this and take 100% the more Palestinian side like how can you have a country you don't have control of

your own water supply that's ridiculous right you know but now I look at it a little bit differently and I look at a

little more geopolitically Savvy I would say you know sign the deal and get your country recognized internationally deal

with the water later yeah and they they were being against again a little Noble like no we want the right setup so in

that now when you look at hamas's Charter which did change in 2017 but up until 2017 was literally the destruction

of Israel right it's in their Charter okay uh who who really doesn't want two

states I wouldn't say the Israelis who have offered them over five or six times a contract to sign yeah because the

second the Palestinians sign that deal they're legitimizing that Israel can exist yeah and that is something they

can't live with so they're playing kind of like here and putting more Canadian context the Quebec card right like we're

going to leave we're going to leave we're going to leave oh we got concessions okay we're staying yeah you know I think that that's the um and this

is the problem that we keep uh that we keep running into where it's like you

know there are other Arab states like Saudi Arabia for example that is evolved in a way you know like originally nobody

liked Israel but there's like you don't have to like your neighbors you know like you have to do business with them you have to you know come to an various

Accords so that you're not like attacking each other all the time but it's like the situation in Gaza with

Hamas and with Hezbollah as well is always this like it's it's like an anachronistic notion to just like

suddenly attack different people for the for the sake that they are you know existing or or or whatever it's like who

is the time for that anymore we're it's 2023 like it's it's enough already with the um you Hamas attacking Israel yeah

well I think they see it as they're they're going to liberate Israel I know but it's their land they don't even see themselves attacking a foreign country

but this is this is why it's like Israel should just move in and I'm not saying that they eject all the people how do you change up thinking I know they go in

and they change the administration and it's going to be some you know a tough few years and I know I think in many ways Israel just doesn't want the hassle

of having to deal with these people but you go in people you know maybe you put something in place where it's like um

you know there there is a in terms of freedom of assembly and things like that they they they maybe

don't have the full rights of an Israeli citizen because they they can't for security reasons and like there there

are certainly going to be people that aren't happy about it it might breed resentment but I think over Generations you'll have like things will it's like

it's like it's like a Scotland England thing you know yeah it's like a festering wound it's like it's like

either cut the arm off or um or or or or put the bomb on the wound but you can't

put the bomb on the wound and there's certainly people I'm sure in the Israeli Administration who rather cut the arm

off right right that's where you get the little heavy-handedness and whatnot but then again instead of looking at each

one of those events like oh you see these because you go on Tik Tok these days and you you see devastating images but you really you know unfortunately

that's what war looks like we try to avoid war war is horrific you know and

uh yeah it's it's um in that sense I would say for the first time the

Palestinians are um they're not playing the smart geopolitical game but they're actually playing a very smart social

media game mhm they're beckoning almost their own citizens to get killed because

it changes the public opinion in the west so this is so this is like and this is sort of the next thing I think we

should segue into is like are they playing a smart game because I'm bewildered at the response in the west

because it seems to me very obvious what they're doing and it was in that Meme I talked about earlier it's like that that

was like put out the couple days after the it's obvious because you're aware of wokeism and the and the ills of it but I

think the youth so have you ever s to cut you off but have you ever seen in any other because it's not a new event

this you know these two peoples have been going at it back and forth for 75 years this many protests on the street

from University students that are pro Palestinian no right so what has

happened in the last five to 10 years that all of a sudden change all the ne youths change a point of view on uh

Israeli Palestine conflict yeah the mass immigration Mass immigration and also just wokeism in general because they're

going to view this as simply oppressed an oppressor yeah that's it and they're

not going to know history deep enough cuz kids don't know history that as you and I grew up Israel was literally the

most oppressed peoples you could imagine they went through World War II with they only see Israel as this big extension of

United States geopolitical uh Ambitions of the Middle East I I would argue even

more than that they don't even necessarily see it that way in any kind of real on any kind of real level I

think that it's um um well let me let me start with

this so um first of all I guess there there's that there was a poll recently

um uh which was taken and they they kind of it was a Harvard Harris poll and they

gauged a number of responses talking about the election like you know Biden versus Trump etc etc but really focused

a lot on uh the situation in Israel and the responses of people in terms of the

if you're talking about the age cohort of like 18 to 24 um there was 50% of those of that age cohort support

Hamas over Israel like 50% of that you know all the other ones as you get older you get more like um the support for

Israel go goes more until it's like overwhelming a little more geopolitical savviness yeah exactly um uh and then

you have uh 51% Israel should be eliminated and given to Hamas that was the response so it's like you know and

the way these questions I actually have the survey here but it's like the way the um the way the questions were worded

were you know I'm sort of um capturing it here there's no there's no there's not like there was some hidden uh um it

it was the wording was changed or something um and uh 53% should be free

to call for genocide in terms of that not violating Free Speech laws or free

speech on campus um and then so and you also you so you look at this and how they've treated Free Speech against you

know any other thing on campus how you know Jordan Peterson tries to go give a lecture and it's like if I don't use your pronouns I'm criminally charged or

something exactly exactly but you can say from River to the Sea and all of a sudden you're a freedom fighter yeah and just like literally calling for genocide

and that and that's what these people are claiming to believe um so and I noticed so there was this um Amy

Horowitz I hope I'm pronouncing that right um I I saw this on Twitter or X

and uh he went to San Francisco State University and he went around asking people um he' kind of go up to them and

be like he's like hey I'm trying to uh like like I he he so it was kind of worded as such like I'm trying to I'm

trying to get some support to we got to fight against like like what Israel is doing and this and that and he's like so

I'm I want to talk about like how maybe you can donate some money we're just trying to get some sort of support for some like you know so we can hit some

some some soft targets like schools or synagogues that kind of thing but he said it in such a way um that it was

very like buddy buddy very like pulling them aside like hey like come on man like this is what we're trying to do and

a lot of them it was like so nearly 50% of the people gave uh $5 to $20 they're all college

students so they don't have much money anyway um and but 28 out of 35 people expressed support for what he was doing

which was going around like literally asking for money to hit soft targets like uh like Jewish soft targets that's

how you get this you've seen the sign like the queers for Palestine yeah yeah yeah it's the same so but so I think

what I guess what I'm trying to say here is like I get the sense that these that these young people and you know this is

the same I think maybe with all young people like we were probably the same as well it has so I don't think it has much

to do with the issue at all I don't think that there's any thought going into this I think they want to be a part of something and they're just like

you're their friend or whatever then it's like okay yeah man like I'll I'll join this or it's if they're if they're

uh you know there's a big protest going on it's like yeah I want to be a pro I'm against oppression so sure like there's no like thought about it yeah because

it's all about again it's that whole intersectionality it's all against oppression and simply if you're sitting at a higher and punching down then

that's the person that gets whatever you do to punch up is Justified but it's it's also a numbers game so you have

sort of um when you have a large amount of like um let's say like they the

number of um Jewish people versus uh like globally well globally very small

but like even even on uh college campuses and things like that they're very much out or out um numbered by uh

by by Arab students right so you're getting a lot of um so there's just more people that are saying hey come join our

protest so people want to fit they students on all the time and not that we're much better they're on their phones right and when you then have

students that are on their phones all the time they're not watching the CBC or City TV News or CNN or fox or any of

those things they're getting their news from the so you're going to have two billion people three billion people that

are pro Palestinian uploading images and creating this Echo chamber inside the little box of their phone and they're

going to feel like they're 100% have the world the world has their back yeah so they can say these crazy statements

thinking well what repercussion should come everybody agrees with me right it is uh I mean it's it's crazy

and it's such a it's so emblematic of the times we're living in where you see this and and honestly as soon as it is

exactly the manifesta this is this is what happens when you have um wokeism

spreading like you know its tendrils through society and just like it waits for an event like this to pounce and

you're like you're hearing people calling for openly calling for the genocide of a raise and simultaneously

thinking they're the good guys and they're the ones that aren't be behaving like Nazis like wokeism has ruined our

immune system and whenever the V the next virus it is a virus in itself that has ruined our immune response to these

geopolitical problems and when the next problem pops up we don't have the intestinal fortitude or immune response

to push back right and then you're told not to like sort of like the good the good Canadian American boy is is uh

embarrassed of their flag or embarrassed of their Anthem or the newest I don't know if you saw the Human Rights Council

uh said that uh Christmas is discriminatory so what happens to the response and if you can't even celebrate

at home then what is your strength and projecting your influence globally weakened diminished right so

you get you to feel bad about yourselves in your own cave you're not going to venture out of it and try to influence the world in your own you know shape the

world in your own um image it's a brilliant play because it really takes so it just takes the I'm

sure we did the same in the west to the late communist era um Soviet Union M you

know like get them like show them drop pictures and videos and VHS cassettes of beautiful landscapes in North America

right and then they sit there and they put them on their contrabands VCRs what the hell are we doing here yeah you yeah yeah it it made them not believe in

their system either but it's a game it's um yeah it's really

fascinating it reminds me of that um that Russian former KGB agent that I'm

I'm sure you seen the video where he talk yeah yeah he it was so preent like it was like you know talking about how one

would infiltrate society and how like a communist or um do you know where he taught at he was a professor in Canada

for a while too was he yeah UFT I maybe but oh oh you're asking even more

intimately uh University of Windsor oh right right yeah and I want to go back and check my uh my grades to see if I

actually had this guy a professor he was a political science Professor that's right I actually I I remember that and I

remember checking as well but I couldn't find his name uh in the same years that I was there and who and where for those

who don't know where's winds are located in Canada right on the border of the states literally right on the border so

it's it's very interesting yeah the this whole um I I find yeah I find what's

happening now I I you know the only the only good thing that has come of this uh

I think that it's finally galvanized a lot of people who maybe didn't know what we were talking about when we would say

um you know I've had a lot of I've dished out a lot of I toldos like I'll just say that since then like it's like

you know what like everybody who is sort of seeing that this is this is happening

in Israel and people protesting like literally for the calling for the genocide of uh of Jews in America and in

Canada it's like and in Europe um this is this is like see this is what this is

what um unchecked immigration and this is what woke is M and this is what you know all this this idea of just um

assuming that everybody on the earth is the same this is what this import people to your country that come from other

countries who it's in their Charter to destroy these peoples you expect them

just to give up their beliefs in a generation right yeah that's complete naivity yeah so you're not just

importing people you're importing the beliefs that come with them yeah and that was hard enough in the context of

the western umbrella you know that people didn't like whoever was the newest the Irish person that came initially and then uh The Unwanted from

the Mediterranean and then you had the Eastern Europeans oh they're just so different but still we found a way to bond and I'm sure we can over these um

East and West as well but it's just the further you stretch away the harder it

becomes well I think a lot of it also has to do with time and there's I mean I

guess you could argue you know when the Irish came here it was there was a lot and it was a bit overwhelming but there was also a common culture like I mean

Catholicism wasn't that different from Christianity or from you know protestantism or whatever women's rights

or lack thereof but at least it was in sync yeah yeah but this is you're talking about a completely different culture and because immigration is so

lacks now and there's so um you know so many people you know were bringing in uh

into the West um I just think that there's it you know I think if you have the numbers down you have time for um

sort of assimilation cultural assimilation to take place to some extent as your culture grows and expands as it should because it should be

diverse you know but diverse but integrated yeah I don't know how diverse

it should be when you look yeah I I understand but when you look at clothing today we have we have more um when

people used to go to Paris they'd want like what are the Parisian women wearing you know we want to be like these they

want they looked up to them when new immigrants come to Canada today I don't think they're looking up to our

lifestyle our culture our clothing our music our Anthem our Christmas and like

and like like with some sort of reverence like wow I wish to Aspire to be like that because I'm coming from tier B country into tier a and therefore

I want to be as tier a as I can be I don't I think they've just given up on that but I we've been and we've

encouraged them yeah of course come here so when now you see this is my problem with clothing and whatnot it's not the

piece of cloth but people are mysterious enough behind their own heads you know

what they're what thoughts are their views on uh sexism or gender or whatever but that's at least in their own head

and I can't know and outwardly we shake hands we do business everything's okay but when they then have an extension of

those thoughts through their clothing it's it's a lot more like you know I don't even want to be part of your world

you know if I if I was young and single and saw a pretty girl in a hijab would I feel comfortable going up and asking her on a date right it's literally telling

me don't do that and that's not integration that's not diversity that's isolationism MH you know geographically

um combined but culturally isolated so that's where it doesn't leave it doesn't it's not open you you

extend one hand to let somebody in and then they kind of slap your hand away yeah we you know I I don't blame you

know other cultures coming here and being not uh impressed by uh Canada or

what it has to offer our fault for demeaning our own culture and demeaning you know electing this we have uh you

know sort of Figure Head just to cut you off and make the to have the listeners know like

I don't encourage telling anybody to wear or not wear something it should be their own free choice but we should have

built an environment in which they wish to Aspire to be like that right you know

if you're if you're like I don't know what's a silly example you're on the Ton you're the you run the Toronto Maple Leaf and you have a new player come in

from the Montreal Canadians you want them to be proud to put in that Jersey like well I guess I can I not still play

in the ice with my old Jersey you're not going to have very much great teames that way right you don't want

toce anybody to do that but but certainly you want to create the Environ in which they wish to Aspire to be integrated with Canada I think this a

lot of this do you remember when they I think it was the RCMP where uh siks

wanted to have their turb I think I think that kind of um acquiescence to

allow exceptions to um rules especially in the military even they done from

and that man wanted to be a police officer which is a wonderful thing you know and and then that we were being

like you know kind like you know if you're going to take the West's values to the highest degree you be like well

they're actually going to be open and allow somebody to do such a thing right but that openness this is this the Catch

22 can be used against you but it's like well because it's like as a parent you know you don't you don't let your kid

get whatever he wants right like you you establish boundaries and like there's a little bit of that here too and it's not

you know again adult in a free world so it's it's harder to say well we're very very free but we're not going to let you

do that well we're very very free but we have certain institutions and certain things like there are certain rules regarding the military there are certain

rules regarding you know um public property there are certainly rules there certain laws that we have like so

overall no shirt no shoes no service or or no vaccine right like there should just again it comes again back to free

first principles and you get like certain freedoms that you have sure and freedom of religion by all means freedom of religion but like um you know it

doesn't mean it's like maybe then because you your religion in your religion you happen to wear a turban or

whatever then just the RCMP isn't the job for you unfortunately that does just doesn't work like you know like there's

you know as a and you'd have a hard time justifying that though in a in a court because like does it impede the person

from doing their job no it's it's a deeper more nuanced long-term cultural

thing yeah I think that there just needs to to be lines that are drawn like I remember I I couldn't be a um police

officer not that I I would ever want that job now but like I remember when I was young I was kind of looking into going into the op and I couldn't do it

because my vision isn't like a certain amount and I was like well I have contact lenses like so I would argue

like how is that possibly going to impede me um it's the same with you know you maybe you have to be able to pass

certain physical tests it's like of course you should have to pass physical tests like and if you can't do it then you can't and with the eyes you know

like you know you you good eyes when you started but 25 years in you probably don't have good eyes so inevitably it's

going to happen exactly exactly or you're going to get out of shape and like I don't know how often they retest people but anyway I I just think that

that kind of attitude that was sort of the time to so we're seeing a limit and I know you're more of an absolutist on

this but we're seeing a limit to our freedoms in order to maintain in a sense

the freedom we have it's very orwellian we almost have to put a limit on some of the freedoms because those if we're so

free that we allow those who have less freedoms to propagate throughout Society will end up at a net negative so okay

because yeah it's the ant so anti Zionism or Zionism in general where

where do you stand on that do I so Zionism being like there should be an is

Israel Homeland well this is how I I've read about it so Zionism started like in the late 1880s and it was a process

that's been going on and it was basically from secular Jewish people living in the Das despa yeah how do you

say English diaspora I always I know how it's spelled but I don't know diaspora

right sorry um yeah uh when you have two languages and you don't you don't use a

word often enough but um anyways um so what it was was actually was secular

Jewish people saying well God ain't coming back to help us we have to help ourselves and so let's start this sort

of pro- nationalistic movement to try to rep repatriate back home and and um of course the events of World War II help

accelerate that process and the fact that the largely Arab Nations didn't side with the the Allies wasn't going to

bode so well when it came up to dividing the land and Y yada but the problem is today is everything that something

happens be like well you know it's the zionists and is anti-zionism just

politically correct wording for anti-Semitism and how do you not pull the two apart like it's you're being

proud you're a patriot of wanting to have your own country no one is saying then therefore you must go bomb other

people cuz you're some warmonger that's that's a that's a you're just you're diffusing the line too you're making it

too soft to cross into that one I've never um I've never really understood

anti-Semitism and I and before this attack I you know I'm guilty of of thinking really it didn't exist like

we're actually going to have somebody on the show who I was going to say like look where is that you you hear that this happens oh my God right like it's

really out there well this is so this is the thing I guess what I can't wrap my head around is like what do people have

against the Jews you know what I mean because this is like historically for have and this is why it Blends into wokeism too so wokeism is all about the

oppressed versus the oppressor okay so if the Jewish people were historically some of the most oppressed of the last

100 years and perhaps last 1500 hell go all the way back to Moses if you want like highly oppressed kicked out of

Egypt kicked out of Israel you know even coming back they have issues right but

as an oppressed group they have been extremely successful globally that blows

up the entire wokeism narrative that the oppressed can't succeed yeah so they need to eliminate them because they are

the uh Canary in the coal mine going actually you can be oppressed and still succeed it's not about being oppressed

it's about having a culture a religion a sense of values you're going to sell a farm to educate your children that's

what makes you it's it's actually open source open source code it isn't some cabal secret it's like you want to go at

it and try to be successful this is what the Jewish people did Good Luck yeah I mean that just seems so I it just seems

like such a petty reason I guess I I mean I guess any of that kind of stuff is but like um for especially for people

in the west Petty but if you're trying to control the world through like a very centralized means and you have these

outliers that are typically very small in numbers and small in power doing exceedingly well how much of a control

centralized mechanism will they actually need but does is I mean so as an individual they don't

need Ubi basically but as an individual so I would also say that it's kind of

like I mean there are poor Jewish people right so it's not like sure but on average yeah on average this is like

quite a you know they they're doing quite well and we should try to emulate them not not um be anti-semitic like

that's the whole that's the whole weird trick right like what have they done that has been so successful and Asians

as well you know talking about that like what Asian women outperform white men in the States you know so if there if

racism is such an allbeing uh systemic problem how come we have these outliers

and there was actually an Aristotle Institute I think it was called um university came out with it here in Canada showing that basically systemic

racism does not exist at anywhere near the levels they think they do and they went through all the different ethnic groups and genders and showed that those

who we say are at the top are not nowhere near the top and it's open-source C code what do these people

do and how do you wish to do it the problem is that makes you look in the mirror and go why am I not doing it and nobody wants to look in the mirror

anymore but I still don't understand like that that made me make sense why you know somebody suffering in Gaza

would be angry but it doesn't it doesn't make sense why you know the white Harvard student is is angry like like it

like that I think that is just captured by this this W they teach him like empathy is like the highest form so

they're just trying to be like extra empathetic and at that age you're very like very ideologically passionate right you know

um it's funny though you've seen the whole Kur fuffle with um Harvard this week and and last week I guess three

weeks now um with uh the accusations of anti-Semitism and

how they were not doing much to stop the uh rallies on campus did you see that sort of testimony in the States oh I saw

I saw the testimony like ask talking about I forg the's name Mar gay Claudine

G I believe so she's of Harvard there was the MIT and the Penn State U presidents and basically they all did

the exact same song and dance like we allow a wide breath of we allow a wide

breath of free speech on campus and we only actually do anything when it's

actionable really so if someone doesn't use pronouns where's our stance MH no it's complete hypocritical so they raise

the bar on some things and lower the bar on the other and the accusation is that's anti-Semitism because you are

deliberately turning a blind eye to hate speech MH yeah no it's I mean this is uh the hypocrisy is so that's how it gets

into University campuses and they're all repeating it we these are all the presidents so imagine the trickle down effect into the faculty and then into

the everyone else right the the students and whatnot the student body and it becomes just a way of living they just

you know what back when we were in school didn't you kind of just feel like University like was separate from the actual Living World right yeah I did

you're in your own little ecosystem movies are coming out part two of this movie part three like what I didn't even catch part one yet like you just you

were in your own little bubble right and that is it's that's an interesting point I think universities are some of the

most bubbles like zones institutions you can have within a

country which is why you want to really infiltrate them because they are the next generation of movers and shakers

leaders for your country yeah right like that's and I mean sort of by Design like you're supposed to have the freedom of

thought and like scientific freedom and everything in these institutions it's what sort of breeds like you know great

new scientists and and uh great new ideas but unless you're trying to

suppress them and make the West Fall now guess who's the biggest donor of American universities uh I believe yeah

it's like cutter or something yeah I think it was 4.3 billion yeah guess where the guess where the Hamas

leadership lives right not in not in Gaza in Qatar I call it Qatar yeah I you

know what I have heard both qar and qar seems like it would be the way I English would say Qatar I think they say cut

yeah okay um fair enough but um point yeah yeah yeah Ukrainian version vers

Russi yeah Russian uh chicken fillet right um but any at any rate um the uh

that's a brilliant game plan now so they don't live there they live in Qatar the Qatar then funds universities and now

have you seen the financial state of Canadian and American universities um bleeding money like hell

right now how on Earth in Canada when you and I went to University we had a 26 million population and now we and

University was much cheaper and now we got a 40 million plus population universities far more and they're losing

money inflation well not because they're badly run and so when you're creating all these new diversity inclusion and

Equity faculties the bureaucracy is not getting smaller it's getting larger and larger and larger so when you import

wokeism into the university and your bureaucracy expands around such thing and your payroll has to expand you're

more beholden to whoever is going to donate money mhm they got you and now

now you're addicted it's like being addicted to a a heroin or the next booster they're addicted to the next

payment from abroad right because if not their faculty's their institution is going to collapse but that payment is

only going to come if they keep spewing this the type of rhetoric that will

please the donors I but I would say that what is it 4.3 billion or something is

that donated to every like I wonder what percentage of that so for example University of Toronto how much of that money are they getting like and how much

is that what percentage of this is of their total whatever it is they in Canadian context they're losing money so

they're going to need every dollar they can but in a Canadian context they get huge like when you in the states too

when you go to become a professor and you get interviewed one of the main questions is if we take you on as a

professor here at this institution how do you plan to secure funding yeah it is literally part of your resume part of

your interview process so they're all about the cash and in Canadian case it's going to be things like big Pharma we're

not going to research whether iodine can help protect you against Co up if you use a nasal spray like where's the money

in that we want to have research on the how many boosters is Optimum yeah right so it really the money skews the

research which can then skew the whole ideological concept of the institution which then changes how the kids come out

of said institutions which changes voting behavior MH well I For the First

Time s to cut for the first time in 2025 years I would say Israel's um uh

stability in the Middle East does not look anywhere near a strong as I thought it was because if Americans give up

support on them uh and the less money pours in and if American Support is uh

attached to the next generation of Voters who are far more Pro Palestinian than pro-israeli what does a future hold

for them it's pretty scary because it it really is I mean for Israel first of all

for Jews worldwide but also for the West because that's the our foothold like

there's nothing else in the Middle East that we have as do you know how many Arab states there are 2 yeah do you know

how many jewi states are one that's not easy numbers and like8 million people

100 to 200 million Arabs yeah you know so this whole idea that they're this strong yes they probably have nukes and

a well-trained army all that stuff ages yeah you know if you have like in the 1900s Russian

military but the world passes You by if you're not updating it constantly you're going to fall behind it all depends on

America that's this is why it's such a crucial um what's happening in our schools and what's happening in um uh

American and Western uh politics is really important it is really important

who's going to who's going to win the next election in the States and what direction that country is going to take I I don't think we really have is

intellectual thought becoming more mature with the way we teach kids or less mature more nuanced or less nuanced

for sure less right so are they going to understand all these complexities that we can't even get into in a podcast here today they're not going to know like

oppressor oppressed easy Tinder swipe left swipe right done right good guy bad guy white hat black hat and I don't

think you even need to get into like the cutter guitar like sort of funding these

institutions I think that this is it breeds itself like I think that that's just the C get the push yes well you

that's that's the magic of it it's like it's like software that gets installed and you don't even know how it got installed culturally like it just it

gets installed into the culture MH yeah okay so did you see this there was

um an MIT study that came out talking about you know the institutions and everything uh creating a link between

islamophobia and climate change this is where we are yeah that's

uh what are you going to say about that like is is this you

know we're not educating people properly anymore like it's just it's all it's all Indo indoctrination yeah like a religion

based around some sort of pseudo altruism because ultimately I think you're weakening people and we weing

Society you know we really lost that sort of like that thing that got us here that I don't know like the AL the

optimal optimal amount of pressure now we're all about like kind of you know like we would say helicopter parents now we got like helicopter Society yeah like

just yeah blow everything out life's going to be okay when you elevate victimhood to like to the status of a

virtue like and this is what's been happening over the years like this is what this who doesn't want to be more

virtuous right right so you have this you know and and when everything's boiled down to like uh like simple

dichotomies like you have like it's either skin colors like white is bad like colonizer like colonize like it's

um and when you have to make quick decisions on your phone you know the more the more visually uh the more

victimhood you can bake into your photo or Your Meme the more your social status is going to increase right yeah um but

going back to pay off yeah just um you know I saw this amazing quote in a sense and um I'll read it first and I'll tell

you who it was like and it goes to like just the generation and technology and

and and what technology does to our minds and it goes like this we have a deficit of wonder when I ask people a

question they get out their phone and I say no I don't want to know the answer I

just want to wonder about it for a while that was from Tom weights huh yeah

and like you know I find that all the time like I'll have a question with somebody like well let me just Google that let me find what this me crazy

leave me first of all you're going down play's cave you don't know what the hell you're looking at you're getting a little snapshot of something that's curated for you you think you've

searched for it CU you've typed it into the search box you're not getting some random selection of all the information on Earth at all yeah it's completely

curated um and you have actually taken the most precious thing out of the equation you I want to know what you

think about this not what you went and read and come back and spit it back to me like a robot you've completely just taken you out of the equation yeah and

and even I would even say not I would even say for simple things even if sometimes I'll be talking with somebody

and I'll be like oh who's the actor that was in blah blah blah movie or whatever and they'll immediately want to go just

check like Google it and find out who it is and it's like you're you're also taking your thought process out of the equation like you it it is a healthy

thing to be remember you know like to put it together in your mind and come back with a with an answer like um like

think about what it was you might be the next Mozart you know like but like every person has some an amazing ability to

give me a point of view that I've never thought of before MH when I take those people out of the equation I'm getting

far more centralized data yeah and they don't even know they're doing it and

it's only going to get worse um and I know before it gets better well I don't know if it's like I mean again with the

AI it's like how is it going to like how how how is this going to like when is going to be the point

where like how how does AI shift in such a way that we have less centralization

like I I just don't see it no but maybe we learn to utilize a better like we just have to have like like you know in

in school like we learned how to you know you're you're absolutely right I had a a client tell me the other day she went to go to the Toronto Reference

Library so for those who don't know it's a wonderful Library we have in downtown Toronto that you don't actually take out

the books they're all there on the shelf right and so everything's there 247 and it's just an amazing uh institution and

she went in there and she went in to do some research for her daughters who's in University and couldn't get back to

Toronto to get this particular book and she went up to the front Clerk and and the click goes well I can't help you right now the computers are down and

she's like well can you just give me like the Dewey I know the Dewey Decimal System if you just give me the number I can go upstairs and find it myself and

the young clerk was like what right you can find the book on your own in here that's incredible yeah so yeah there

there you go like we've we've lost an ability like caveman not knowing how to make fire right and she's like dude it's

just a Dewy Decimal System right it's yeah it's amazing and you and you feel and you wonder how

it's like okay well obviously AI can replace whatever that person's job is because they're not even they are

essentially just a surrogate for AI at this point they're just like turning a computer are we not when we look in our phones there a surrogate for like

centralized information when we simply Google something come back and spit it out and don't put yourself into it at all yeah none of your own thought you're

just a surrogate right right you've eliminated thought on Earth not increased it sometimes I'm concerned

even when we have this podcast like I'm always careful that I don't just regurgitate things I've listened to on other podcasts like I'm like okay how

can you know what do I think about this try to take it into consideration I and we've talked about this before like I

try to get news from different sources so I'm like there's a little bit of a um

you get the other side but um you know it really is important to kind of think about how it all is put together

yourself um in really a lot of things that you do and the the more you're

doing it the more you're exercising your mind even if it's just for something simple um the better like you know don't

maybe don't use ways maybe just like when driving somewhere like just remember where you go or try a different route and figure it out like it's not uh

use the Stars like I don't know like there's we become way too dependent already on this where the beauty is in

that though is that when you allow yourself to get lost in the road a bit and figure it out and part of the beauty

of our podcast is that yes we come with like we've done some research looked at both sides again I'm like I don't want

to sound like any other podcast but the beauty is it never really does because as we start talking mhm it just

naturally turns into into something else right because it's two people talking and it's not too uh and we're adding

ourselves into the mix exactly we're not just simply oh you got your notes I got my notes Here We Go you can just upload

that and it's over right so it's leaving that space for the individual human

interaction and encouraging it which is the way we'll learn to utilize AI in the future to a

benefit but it really comes back to education yeah so even though this podcast today was supposed to be more

about like the Middle East and I'm sure we'll get back to it a bit but I think the problem that we're highlighting with the Middle East is a problem of

Education yeah both in the Middle East I'm both you can say on the Israeli and

Palestinian terms different you know they know different things about each other and how those things are represented in institutions supporting

those two sides globally yeah and I I mean I almost want to like let's parse

some of this so that we're not trying to you know solve all the world's problems like the Middle East is one thing what we do know is the west and we know I

know the country I grew up in I know know you know what our values are supposed to be and there's no way that

like people should be like the fact that you know over 50% of a poll is in favor

of sort of the genocide of the Jews I mean that is uh reprehensible like

there's no there's no there's no Nuance to that like where some of the dumb stuff is coming in so when you have

those you've seen those signs free Palestine right that presupposes just like stop the hate and all these

different campaigns that come out right it's or BLM and it it creates this non-combative like slogan you're against

Freedom are you against the oppressed how can you not be for free Palestine yeah but it presupposes that there was

even a Palestine to be freed right you're it's baked into the word there was never been a country called

Palestine there's never been a king of Palestine there's never been a prime minister of Palestine you know so but but when you hear free Palestine and you

don't know history like yes we need to free these people now now I'm going back remember in our Mor era like free to

betet like I I didn't go deep back there I'm like I was just like a young 20-year-old I'm like yeah absolutely

these poor people up there are spiritual in the mountains being oppressed by the Chinese regime I'm all in on them and I

think I'm kind of right still but the truth is be told at 21 years of age in pre- Internet years I wasn't doing much much research about it right or east

tomore remember that one where it was like I I didn't know all I knew it was kind of cool to like like not want to

East to more to be like I didn't even know who they was being subjugated by we got a double whammy here because it really is something that is is more is

more uh aggravated in in one's Youth and also then in naivity of just not having

true knowledge MH right as you get older and you have more knowledge those two things really help Rectify it yeah but

it's the lack of lack of um I'm going to say lack of experience but I think there's something just interesting about

being 21 and wanting to shape the world in a better better more ideologically aligned like

this is our time and we need to shape it in our kind of way right there's a certain rebellious rebellious

AG group and fact they in that they had know less about the world than ever and they want to be altruistic

247 it's a it's a disaster it is and there's some part of me that is a little

sympathetic there because you know when we were growing up like I made I made a lot of St like I didn't know like I I I

was quite into rebelling against you know certain causes or whatever but it was I remember your t-shirt in

1993 what don't acid rate on my fr yeah yeah yeah um but there there's if

we were this we'd be like what do you mean what about the industries and what does that mean is it really Global and how bad is this acid rain and if you

ever I know I know I know but it was the most amazing shirt to wear at that age right yeah yeah yeah you're like of

course you're against acid rain are you Pro acid rain oh you like acid rain um but but

like we didn't have the micros we weren't under the microscope of these people like these people tearing down these pictures that are now like

circulating on the internet they they'll never be able to um uh rid themselves of like these people's lives will be

tarnished and imagine the psychological damage if we were like for those people 20 30 years from now when they they're

the ones walking around New York when they say missing missing Israelis and they're tearing down the signs off the the street poles yeah and they see that

picture of themselves 20 years on they go what the did I do yeah and they're they're not going to be getting certain jobs like I mean and and there

well I don't encourage that but you're right that might might play into or might get certain jobs depends who wins this war you know when they come to that

Reckoning and they see like you're seeing your stupidity like we had the we had the advantage of being younger and

uh letting our mistakes happen in privacy mhm yeah if these are truly mistakes the future will tell but if

they're truly mistakes they don't have their privacy well I think I think you can even say now that a lot of them are

mistakes I mean they these people like the vast majority of these people protesting and tearing down pictures I I

really think like are doing it because it's like the cool thing to do so like at what level are these people going to

be I think for the rest of their lives or certainly for the next like 10 years they're going to have a tough time maybe getting jobs cuz their names will be out

there their faces will be out there our our technology convering they might get a job in universities though like you

know it becomes this really like almost two-tier Society you know you're on one team a or Team B yeah but I think that

as you I I think I mean look I call themselves an activist I'm I saw when I

saw that my my natural inclinations is to be like good I hope they don't get jobs like I was happy to see that bus going around with showing all the names

of the people who were like um you know tearing down the pictures or putting the protest but but but part of me is like

okay like I was young too I said some stupid things like who knows what um uh I don't know I think kids need to grow

up a lot faster now in some ways and unfortunately they're staying young much longer because of the you know the

technology really like that's at the end of the day I think that's what it comes down to they're um imagine to going back

to Gaza now um and I I would argue it's not an open air prison because um have you seen the

population growth of Gaza in the last 15 years mhm it's like exponential yeah so

usually when you're apartheid state and you're in a prison having babies is something that comes I mean one can

argue when the poorer you get the more babies you have but in general we're not talking about subsaharan Africa here we're talking about relatively they're

right next to Israel you know right I don't want to say relatively modern but they're in the game sort of in in the

western sphere a little bit you well I don't know if they have the infrastructure but like I they look they

have some it's not as bad as it looks in some places have you seen like this whole open area and you see like beautiful Resorts by the Waterfront and

whatnot like in universities and mosques and highways you know um I I I don't I

don't know like I've never been to Gaza and I I don't think I mean there's KFC

like there's there's stuff like that there okay so I don't know how KFC yeah you know uh good old capitalism but imagine

imagine though going going back to just like in a more Global thing if they didn't have control of their own money

mhm but what if they were on like a cbdc yeah and literally like either either more because of their victimhood or less

because the oppressor says you don't get it right like that's the kind of stuff I want to if this is a microcosm of the

what we can see happening on Earth you have to always imagine these controls

these powers and not in the hands of the leaders you enjoy but in the hands of the worst leaders mhm so that's the kind

I don't see anything going back to point leading to a decentralization you know there's a there's a reason why I never

really understood when like right-wingers were like oh you know we're so into Jesus and I would hear the argument well the people on the left

should be more into it because it's more social good and um freedom and openness

and lack of racism all sort stuff turn the other cheek like those are things that that left typically was um home to

those ideas but there's a key difference and tell tell me if you what do you think of this um but Jesus in the

way he's thinking was actually quite he was quite individual individual like individually based the way he approached

things it's like I don't need this synagogue to tell me whether or what I I talk to God directly one-on-one and so

can you you don't need this middleman and that's very much a rightwing thing yeah you can like less government less

middleman uh sorry uh you have your own you have your own uh what do you call it like uh freedom to make your own choices

and live by the sword die by the sword yeah and if you make the wrong choices well it's on you yeah those are very

much like an adult way of thinking in a sense you know yeah um and going back to

this stuff in the world I just feel like the the it's going in the opposite direction where we're like looking for

more centralization and more bureaucracy to solve our ills instead of putting it on the individual and in this case how

much of the conversation on the news have you SE put the blame on the people in Gaza for their own

situations no very little yeah very very little mhm it's like well you have this Collective power that's against you and

you have no agency over it and you this and no no no I you know

what there's got to be a sense of lack of a lack of personal responsibility is bleeding into all aspects starting at

the top of our own leaders yeah I think that a lot of a lot of the problem here is a numbers game I

I since this happened I've been to I've gone to a synagogue twice and uh

something called habad house I don't know if you know it's like kind of a small little Community like uh Jewish community and

you kind of sit around there's a rabbi and you talk about like you have food together and you just talk about like

stuff and so see how wonderful is that so you're inserting you into the that's right that's right I'm not and you know

they're well like I'm not Jewish but I'm they you know it's like you're welcomed or whatever and I just wanted to see

what it was all about like what you know and and do you ever consider becoming Jewish um well I I'm just not so do you

have a problem with becoming Jewish well I don't have a problem with becoming it I just don't I'm not like to me it

doesn't really I I don't know like I'm not really like I I I I do believe in God but I'm kind of I guess a little bit

more like Jesus in the sense that I feel like I've got like the direct tot line like I don't you know not in a real way

but in a symbolic way like I don't I I you know I do pray and I and I believe in God and everything like that but I don't necessarily like I find religions

interesting um but you could argue that having a religion helps organize your spiritual thoughts for sure I think it's

important to I think it's I think the community behind it and the worship aspect of it like knowing there's

something bigger than yourself and getting together and literally doing something to religion can help organize

you yeah yeah so I think you know if I if I was irel if I didn't you know because I'm Catholic so I sort of

already have all that I know what to do and all the things so it's like I already got my religion I already got

all that I'm Catholic man um but I did think it was interesting to see it and I thought like it really you know

everybody comes together you know they're very um they're are people that really kind of takes care of one another

you know like is is it a secret is is what a secret what they're doing it's

open source yeah yeah no it's open source open source but I think what it is is they don't have the numbers so

they don't have like it literally was because of the Holocaust and uh you know and what happened to the Soviet Union

and everything like that that the numbers are so reduced right like there's millions and millions of people so all those millions of people that were going to have children because

there they a they're a culture that has a lot of children and I don't know if now it's because because of the Holocaust but but they so you would

think that there would be a lot more of them but there really isn't and I think it's because of the Holocaust and like

you know these mass killings like because you think like with the population even so you're saying they have the great game plan they don't have

the numbers they don't have the numbers at the at the moment and that's just not going back bringing it back to Israel versus Gaza in a sense that they they

have the game plan but they're just one Jewish state with 23 Arab states so they're they're playing in an excellent

game in a sense with reduced cards right so if they had the numbers you know if

there was 12 and 12 States facing off it'd be no contest right well not that I

wish that don't make they skew it as a war you know like this mega war sort of thing but even from a PR more with less

is a very is a wonderful thing for sure it is but you look at like like so

everybody's all these kids who are sort of joining the club of like free Palestine everything like this on

college campuses there's just a lot more people that they can kind of like be friends with or in the click with like

there's not there's not a lot of Jewish organizations and then Jewish people also out like um trying to get recruits

or anything right so it's like they're fairly insulated and like so you have I think that that unfortunately harms them

in in any kind of PR campaign there's just not enough of them yeah so yeah the only way you can defeat that is with

time and those kids grow up and see and learn and live a little bit more like I don't see anyone in North America like willing to say you know you know what

take that Israeli um Soldier uh what do you call it hostage out of Hamas I'll take their place cuz Hamas is really

good and they're just Freedom Fighters do you really believe that okay go switch positions with that Israeli person in there now yeah cuz that's

that's who you're supporting right you're supporting the guy holding that guy there well then you know let him go back home to your family and you go sit

there you know because that's the guy you're you're saying he's doing a great job go go nobody will actually do that

they're all full of J they just they just they have their ideal the idealism is uh you know when you say

like Love is Blindness well they're in love with this ideal yeah and it's interesting how you really to change the

narrative like people are so married to their bloody narratives like they'll you know people are just not open to it you

can't have a convers you talking earlier about being blocked on Twitter and it's like you know you make um you make uh

like people just aren't interested in anything that challenges what how they already see the like world you're the

enemy and there's no sense in talking I went to a pro Palestinian TW X Twitter

uh account and I wanted to start a conversation starting with the most Baseline question like where can I where

can I build from yeah so my Baseline question open was do you agree Israel

should be a country I got death threats yeah from from Canadians yeah I

actually reported a Twitter and they said okay we've blocked a person until they take that tweet down and whatever you know like you know like seriously

asking in Canada should Israel be a country and then when I went into the actual profiles of a lot of people that

were saying stuff I'm getting the kalashnikovs and the baklavas or the BLM Ukrainian uh rainbow FL crowd like it

was really like the woke people and the militants that were completely one like

I'm just asking like really guys so if you don't even agree that Israel should be a country who's against a two-state

solution the one who doesn't want Israel to be a country and again you know this comes back to like when you put it all

together it's like what should Israel do they should go in and they should occupy Gaza they should they should

like there's no way um like first of all going in there and just bombing it and

like doing this it's just creating more terrorists as usual so it's like go in take it over and and just that's it that

would be quick and efficient but it's just not the right way to do things but I understand but but I think it I think it has to be it's like haven't we tried

haven't they tried everything else like they tried a lot I don't see another yes I agree what you you're an avid chess

player isn't there a move in chess that no matter what you do you're doomed is there like a situation if every move you

go to make only lead to a worse position there's a stalemate maybe is what you're thinking of where it's just it's a tie

yeah there's no one like every so I feel like Israel right now no matter what move they make is only going to make things worse if they don't do something

right you didn't react if you overreact you overreact oh yeah yeah right they're just they're trapped right now but yes

um to your point if you were to ask me honestly do I see the mindset in the

gazin strip and West Bank changing sufficiently for Israel to back away and say now you guys can run your countries

beside us in harmony I don't see that ever happening in my lifetime and I'm a die hard Optimist mhm I just don't and

having Greek background I kind of understand a little bit of the passion nuan like the just the idealism and that

what it means when your parents told you something from Youth and your grandparents told your parents something it's really hard to break away that

turkey are you talking about well just in general like the Mediterranean countries are so family oriented you

know like you in in a tyrannical sort of way that you're not going to be able to break ranks with your parents very easily and if you do it might mean

breaking ranks with your relationship with your parents right which who's going to want to do that and then that

will also blend bleed into society at large so who's going to break away from this mind mind virus that's infected

these two places right so I don't see it happening so to your point something dramatic has to happen or you going to

have a long two to 300 years stalemate yeah which nobody really wants

and and another thing if you were to talking about the right mindset on Earth if you were to magically take all the

Palestinians out of Gaza and import now all Israelis into there in 25 years how

would that place turn out like a ghetto tell me the precedent for that yeah it

wouldn't it would be quite nice so is it the resources is it is it the surrounding neighbors that are around you no it's the way you're running your

country so has Israel been heavy-handed sure maybe yes you have to ask yourself

why though M right once you get through all that sort of nuance because that's what happens in Twitter well you did X and they did Y and like can we get why

yeah like why did this actually happen how what are the causes of this how do you get out of this otherwise you're

just going through like a a 12 round boxing match looking at below versus below as opposed to what brought you into the match to begin with and how do

how the hell do you get out of this match um it's all about mindset and I am going to tell you the Middle East has

100% the wrong mindset for the 21st century yeah yeah a lot of countries in there do and yeah I mean you also I

would you know I would say like um with the Palestinian situation I like it I

think this isn't Israel's problem anymore like this is like if other Arab states to absorb that population they

should do it it's like enough enough is enough it really is not a 21st century Egypt doesn't want them because the

whole brotherhood Muslim Brotherhood that's Palestinian based isn't it I

believe it is so so they're like we don't want these guys back in our country because we just got rid of that crap okay so inside Gaza 50% of the

people who live there are of Egyptian descent M you can tell by their last names you know they're they're not the

same type of Arabs um then you have do you know about in 1991 the Kuwaiti War there was 300,000 Palestinians living in

Kuwait oh and they Iraq attacks yeah Kuwait guess what side the Palestinians

cited on the Iraqis so the Kuwait's like you and they kick them all out yeah

then you got Jordan which was trans Jordan uh you know for for a while about 20 30 year year period the entire West

Bank was part of Jordan and then the pal Ians that were living there had their own Army inside Jordan and they went to

war a civil war against a jadan army okay yeah So eventually the jordanians

kicked them out but in the process I think the uh the Palestinians did in the West Bank did manage to kill the uhu the

king or the prime minister at the time too so it was it was a severe Ser serious War so when it came to the 1967

attack now Israel what were they going to do they weren't going to um occupy

West Bank Jordan doesn't want them back they're like we're happy to see you guys leave right so now if you don't occupy

it what to stop them from voting in a Hamas and lobbing Rockets right from next door you literally have to occupy

it in order to keep the peace and proof of that is the average person in the West Bank lives a much better life than the average person in the Gaza Strip so

even under occupation but from a more civilizing albeit sometimes heavy-handed

Force the average person that lives a better life than in the Gaza Strip yeah and then you got Hezbollah which is

Palestinian like nobody wants these people back yeah and and it just and it's not the people

s to cut you off because I want people to understand because they don't really know me or you intimately it's not the people it's the Mind virus that's taken

over their cultures and how do you get rid of it you literally have to just get rid of it yeah I mean they're taught it's the same as any others I'm sure you

go to North Korea and I you know they all well I'm sure there's a good number of them that actually do rev their

leader right and there's like no reason they should um silence grows in tyranny grows in silence right right what you're

having now is Hamas cuz they've silenced everybody for this cultural hellscape they've created no one's speaking up

again have you and when it's first started I was very careful to delineate between Palestinians support for

Palestinians and support for Hamas like they're not the same thing but have you seen one pro Palestinian anti- Hamas

rally in the last three months yeah right no I doesn't happen so and then you start seeing Pauls 70% of people in

Gaza support Hamas like I can't differentiate to any effective degree yeah so like off what are you doing

guys well yeah and there's there's of course always outliers there's always people who don't like you know but it's um like even in Canada it's like how

many people you know people did vote in Justin Trudeau that he's the representative of the country right but

it's like a lot of the country doesn't want him there so it's uh you know you look at Gaza and it's like yeah you or

Gaza and it's the other um it's the same thing where they're um I'm sure there

are people there that that feel you know tyrannized by of course uh afraid to speak out but but but they

inevitably they have to find it themselves yeah yeah you know you can't you can't expect it's like us America

going in like uh bombing Iraq and trying to bring them democracy they have to want it themselves and they enough of

them have to want it and otherwise it's like move out of you know really at some point it's like you have to go somewhere else or you're part of you're part of

the problem like it's like when when when Israel is trying to move people to other parts of the country which I don't

understand that strategy uh but um you know to kind of get them out of the way of the bombings it's like you know how

many times I mean I I get that it's not easy you just uproot your family you go somewhere else but it's like at some at

some point at some at some level aren't you like maybe we shouldn't be living here you know I maybe we should be um

figuring out something else to have you heard of this statement before and I don't fully agree with it because it's a little overly simplified

but the Palestinians will have peace when they learn to love their children more than they hate Jews right yeah it's

a little oversimplified but but there's got to be a Reckoning where like you know what let bygones be bygones we just

need to stop the killing and move forward now did you hear that like ecstatic call that that Hamas um the

Hamas terrorist made to his his parents what he called them and he was in the middle I killed 10 people with my own

bare hands did you hear how the Ecstasy in his voice like that's I mean and his parents sounded a little like kind of

dumbfounded almost but it's like that's the that's the fervor like I don't know if that's just Hamas or if that's like

something but there was a Baseline of that in the education system there where it's like the Jews are the bad guys like you know what I mean like until they

killed the devil right he's ous and descended down into the cave and you

know slain uh the the the dragon sort of thing um and now now how do you imagine

that's someone that's more vocal about it so going back to my family element how does the average person in Gaza break away from their parents mindset

right when literally have extreme examples like that one yeah I don't know and you know what I look at these little

images and I see these kids you know and I'm like they just want a PlayStation they just want McDonald's they just want to have a nice life they want to fall in

love you know and they're literally being taken over by this mine virus and it's not to say that Israel does

everything right no country does Welcome To Earth you know but if you were queer

and you wanted to live in the Middle East which country you picking right right the second largest tech Hub in the

world the country that allows you to protest for the rights of queer people yeah which is and it's the second largest tech Hub in the world next door

to an open air like pron let's call it mhm like really you know what why don't you just make peace and try to work with

it instead of working against it yeah even if it's even if it's off like work with it you know work with these

people I don't know and then you hear reports like when they came across the the 30ish Thousand daily people that

came across the border there to work in Israel from Gaza the temporary workers

that some of them had mapped out the entire neighborhoods and knew how many people lived in each house and were feeding that information back to the the

Hamas military yeah like you know what like seriously like how how is the

average person ever supposed to in Israel forgive and feel about the people in Gaza yeah if I would you know I was

if I was in Israel and this had happened to me even if I was a supporter before I believed in a two-state solution I'm

pretty sure I'd be pretty militant against that now in in Israel like if the 1200 or so people that were killed

pretty much every family knows somebody that degrees to separation who was murdered in that you think they're not

going to be able to let go of that anger yeah like that's going to be really hard this where the the M virus on both sides

locks in a little bit right you know and you're not you got to untangle that and I I don't if you know this but inside

Israel proper there's about a million and a half to two million Arabs that live with full rights yeah yeah I heard

they become Supreme Court judges there one of them an Arab Israeli Supreme Court judge was the judge in charge of

the case that put the former Israeli Prime Minister into jail so you talking aparte State well

how many Jews and how many Jews are in Gaza you know how many there were though and they forcibly removed them in 2007 I

believe the IDF went in and ripped them out saying we're not we can't protect you here anymore in that home of yours

yeah no more you have to leave yeah so if you want to talk about extermination of people out of a region yeah um

there's far more Palestinians living in Israel than Jewish people living in Gaza furthermore all the have you ever seen

the numbers of the surrounding Arab states in terms of of in terms of how many Jewish people live there they all

had significant Jewish populations and they all don't anymore yeah so who's getting obliterated from the surrounding

regions and where else do you think they're going to go they're going to go to Israel right because they literally have one country in the region yeah yeah

so that's why when people go like oh this anti- Zionism that's just for me a large part of it maybe not all is really

just anti-Semitism because they're willing to overlook you know Greece I have some interesting like numbers here

I had written down but it's not insignificant okay so we have like 1 million Wagers in China put into

concentration camps do you see people protesting about these million people I don't they're Muslim right nobody's

talking about them we have well to be fair there there there have been like that is something that is brought up

with like there's not mass protest in to the extent not unities though right right no on government levels you do see

some protest okay what about the 1 million Afghans that are being deported out of uh Pakistan back to Afghanistan

right 1 million of them doesn't even make the news you got Yemen and Saudi Arabia bombing the hell other what do we

at 500,000 deaths or something that's Muslim versus Muslim nobody saying anything you know you got Kosovo you

know Serbia Koso being part of Albania Muslim you know goes in and basically

obliterates the Christian Heartland of Serbia that's that's their their musim

religious Zone not a peep right uh you had back in history you had a a million

Greeks uh that were taken out of turkey with the whole population exchange going well we're going to have to draw the borders down

normal Line This Ottoman Empire thing we got a million on this side and 50,000 on this side this not going to work M let's

be realistic population exchange you know nobody says boo about that you have

so many man you have got a million French were kicked out of Algeria in 1962 yeah go on you got a million Syrian

refugees that moved to Germany in eight year eight years ago you know like so my point is nobody kicks off about these

things but when the Jewish people get involved It all becomes like oh look at these bad people what are they doing yeah that's anti-Semitism cloaked in

anti-zionism yeah I think that a lot of it has to do with uh technology now

social media and again just people wanting to be part of a club like I don't know you know what it's hard for me to really WRA my head around pure

anti-Semitism I just don't get what the hatred would be like for examp like if you want to look at like because it's

like there's an inner group that is not allowing you to succeed and they're

working against you 24/7 but they aren't like that's the thing no but it makes it a lot easier to think that because it

offloads again it's kind of our always our topic here it offloads your personal responsibility onto some

Boogeyman but but that's I it just I guess it just doesn't resonate with me like if you look at like for example

like uh black crime statistics I I can see how people would look at that and be like wow I don't like black people you

know because it's like it's disproportionately like black people commit most of the crime and you like

like just seeing a statistic like that you can be like well there's at least a kernel of why I can understand why

somebody would would be racist against black people but and I against U you know um Muslims I can understand that

racism because it's like well you know we had the 911 Terror attacks it seems like you know most Terror attacks around

the world seem to be caused by Muslim uh terrorist so like there's easy

connections to make where it's like you can at least see where there would be I'm not saying like you know like

islamophobia or anything is a good thing or or or or being against black people is I'm not saying any of that is good

but at least can understand the's a little different like islamophobia is literally the fear of Islam right

anti-Semitism is like I'm against semites I think you know it's a

different it's a different energy you know a little bit the islamophobia I think creeps into our I think we have never really had our Reckoning and we

certainly weren't taught it in school but when the Eastern Roman Empire because you know like Rome when people

talk about Rome when did it collapse like well you know somewhere there in the 300s and how does Rome make it in

every single one of these podcasts dude yeah yeah there's yeah I I don't know um

but it's it's you know it it collapsed like in like I think it was 1453 with the fall of the Constantinople that was

literally the direct lineage of Caesar and Augustus and everybody else so who

took over the West's key point the Ottoman Empire right so this where you get I

think a little bit of islamophobia because it's like our number one spiritual and Military and political

base was wiped out and we never got it back so there's this creeping fear of it

coming in but everybody's afraid to really verbalize it and why anti-Semitism Works differently I think

it's more from um so I think people can see although it may be changing that islamophobia is more like an external pressure coming in kind of like an

invading Force we get the mass immigration it's like an invading Force kind of motif but the anti-Semitism is

something a little bit more like it's baked into your culture so it's more around you all the time it could be in

your your media that's what the way you would view it or in your banking system or in your politics it's literally part

of the core of your country right which again if you want to get deep is probably a little bit of the um Jewish

tribes moving throughout Europe and in part of the uh larger Empires you know really doing well and integrating

themselves in a tight level and that's created a weird type of can't point my finger at it because it's part of the

country I live in fear you know it's it's hard to point at it and for the most part Jewish people look Caucasian

they can have very caucasian-like names you can't really Point them out to the same degree you can point out a Muslim

person in a hijab right so I think that creates this sort of like easy scapegoat

Boogeyman which has no real uh it has absolutely no like just as dumbfounded

by it as you but that's how it creeps into people's subconsciousness in the west yeah it's an easy scapegoat like

boy man you can never point but it's been like centuries you know what I mean like Millennia the people have been like Jews have been Faults Are baked into

into being a human it just repeats itself over and over yeah I me I mean I got my little nieces now and I see their

thought processes and you know they're watching Christmas movies I'm like you guys all react the same way we did you

know so like just like the little Rudolph or you know stuff like that like this is cute you guys are just reacting and it's really reminiscent of how I

felt when I was seven or years old and I watched something well when they get older not they but people that are of

their age group get older and they encounter difficulties in life and they're looking to offload that

responsibility what the weaker mindset is going to do is point to anti-Semitism you know I think it's just

it's you're a strong guy I'm a strong person I don't and even if it was true I wouldn't let it ever Define me right I

think that's my key feature it's a shitty world out there but I'm not going to let the shittiness of the world Define me yeah right so to to to sit

there and offload that problem is far too easy but I think you're going to see a growing amount of that because we

don't teach resilience enough anymore right right yeah it all does come back to education so uh yeah I guess um do

you have anything else you want to say about this I mean it's a big issue and like like I said like there's a lot of it's been covered it's just I really

think there's a this thing is just such a rot in our society that this that and really this

is the manifestation of years of this woke that we've been dealing with I really think that that's a lot of

it stems from there that's at least that's why you know this stff going on in the Middle East has been going on for you know a while but the stuff here

where we have people openly you know calling for the genocide of the Jews calling you know supporting a terrorist

group like Hamas like before Israel even invaded I might add like like this is this is new and this is like it's scary

like it it is scary woke is woke is truly an orwellian word because there's nothing actually a awakened as it tries

to indicate is nothing about that at all you know what's funny like the Greek word for uh smart is exypnos you're

smart but hypnos like hypnotic is sleep so when your ex nose you're not asleep

you're woke isn't that kind of interesting I don't know if it plays into that or it's just something I kind of figured out one day on my own but

it's like literally the opposite of what it's trying to portray you are sleeping when you're awoke you think you're awake

because you're using this word called woke but it's actually designed to completely shut off any individual thought right and it's it's it's

bleeding into geopolitics You could argue that taking pronouns which is very

much woke the very Act of bending at the knee kissing the robe what will it

matter just do this little gesture and all will be forgiven I won't ask anything more of you most likely for the

rest of your life it's such a simple ask but that simple ask means you are

allowing it you're legitimizing the power above you so I would argue that

when you take when you take pronouns the the butterfly clapping its wings causes a hurricane on the other

side of the planet taking pronouns and allowing to say I now kneel at the knee

of wokeness has geopolitical consequences yeah culminating in wars

that could lead to World War III because it's completely the mindset yeah the woke crowd sees the Palestinians as the

tip of the sword against Western colon colonization of the Middle East congrats

wokeism has just supported terrorism and it's unveiled its very authoritarian hand

MH I don't know if they I think it this we're really on to something here yeah

it's uh like because it is authoritarian in nature yeah and now it has really

revealed itself by supporting terrorism and hopefully because it's justifying it because it's the oppressed yeah and that

all starts because you take a pronoun like it literally is a d you can draw a direct line from and very much the

butterfly flopping its swings yes but I I I think that I think that this is hopefully this event will have

galvanized I I think it I think it is really woken people up um in society

that have otherwise just been sort of indifferent to this whole you know wokeism it's like okay I'll play the game like he him whatever um what do you

have to lose it just be nice to people I think I think it's maybe woken people up a little more to really what's been

happening here and maybe it's not such a great idea to uh bring in uh cultures

that you know aren't fully assimilated like maybe diversity isn't a strength you know what I mean like what a wild uh

um concept or at least at least you can have too much of a good thing of anything right for sure and I think even

immigrants who are just freshly here will completely agree with that maybe one of the key takeaways though is that

we have to become very hyper aware of the smalles because it's the small ask it looks really benign that in reality

won't stay benign for very long I can really understand the sense now of how

people in the USSR Russia largely fell for communism because it was literally

the most woke ideological event of the 20th century it was the expert class telling the

villagers we're going to run things in a much more intelligent and Equitable sort of way are you against intelligence are

you against experts are you against equality right right like you know or not not as much equality Equity right

distributed from a top down or right but they didn't know that they just saw the beginning phase it was benign yeah and

then once that gets installed and you've created this hierarchy which is centralized at the top good luck

breaking up of it it will take a it will take a revolution MH for complete bankruptcy of your of your state yeah

word words really do have power and uh when you wield them in such a way that you can Define uh cultures and ideas and have

people sort of bending the knee to um almost gratuitous whims like what

you're achieving there isn't that they're then going to use the the sort of correct pronouns going forward but

what you're achieving is the fact that they bent the knee at all and that that that is really the first step in having a culture completely change we must

become hyper aware of the small asks yeah and it's okay to say no going back to the drug commercials

just say no right right you know there's something to it because again it's a gateway drug you know that one little spliff to turns into say heroin but and

this is maybe another show but like there the it's hard to do that right because you're you're talking about like in corporations for example it goes back

to covid like would I have you know and got the vaccine to save my job you know like I mean that's you get

into those where do you say no where do you draw the remember like even Biden this will be a winter of death if you don't get the shot right

what at what point was that statistically true and that came from the top down and it was legitimized

through actions of Corporations to workers yeah so yeah so but but it's

it's it's a hard thing to do it's not it's not even the Small Things take a a

could could Levy a heavy cost yeah you know um all right well I think that's

probably it for today so you have anything else no guys that was wonderful

have yourself a good one yep thanks for listening and um have a have a great

[Music]

2024

[Applause] [Music]