12 - All Too Human: Pride

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Today's episode, all to human Pride was recorded in Toronto, Canada, on September 11th, 2022.

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Today, we are doing a show on the human attribute of Pride, very interesting much-maligned sort of like ambition in closely related to ambition.

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I guess, in many ways ambition is sort of I think of that as You know what?

I it's funny like I'm kind of doing a little bit of research on this and in terms of movies like if they if a review site is talking about famous movie characters who were involved like had too much pride or overweening Pride, you get things like you know, Al Pacino in Scarface.

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Tony Montana and Jordan Belfort in will fall Street and, you know, Gordon.

Gecko and things like that.

But I really see that as Pride.

I see that as ambition and like, I think these are two separate things like Pride to me is, well, I'll describe more about what Pride means to me, but I think it is a very distinct from ambition.

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Like, I think you can be proud of yourself without being ambitious and I think you can be ambitious without being proud.

Well, the to do go hand-in-hand, sometimes both have their line, they can cross.

Yeah, ambition can turn into greed and pride can turn into Burris, I guess.

2:21

Yeah, speaking of hubris.

Let's start with the devil.

All satan is sort of where I don't know what I think of like uber when I think of like Pride gone amok, I think of like, you know, Milton's Paradise Lost or like, you know, the devil from, you might know him from such books as the Bible and we met concept of evil.

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Yeah, yeah.

So, but obviously, an angel who was I mean, you know in theory, whatever you say but like you know, God's favorite angel and kind of everything went to his head, I guess.

And then he decided he wanted his own kingdom or he wanted to sort of fire up a bit of a revolt.

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And yeah.

So when I when I think of that it's like yeah I guess when you know, when you think of it that way, that is a little more ambitious Than Pride.

But that's just, I don't know how you always hear him described as like, like, just Just has so much pride in he was smitten from heaven and I guess Pride would be like the the instigator of ambition almost.

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Hmm.

In a sense.

Yeah.

The fuel in the tank.

Yeah right right.

You're not going to be ambitious without without pride and then act well I can see being yeah I guess yeah I guess that's it.

That's a good point.

Might have it the other way around where it's like you're proud, like you can be proud of your family, you can be Proud of, you know, you're a little Homestead or whatever.

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It doesn't necessarily mean you're ambitious, right?

But yeah.

But I think you're right.

The other way around.

Probably is a requirement like otherwise what are you ambitious for?

Yeah.

So It's kind of these days.

Like I said, it's not necessarily.

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One of the, in fact, is one of the seven deadly sins.

Pride pride is, which is interesting, and which did, you know, it's not in the Bible.

Oh, really.

I think it's from Dante's Inferno.

The seven deadly sins in general.

Yeah, I mean, it's in the Old Testament, but there were eight.

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I believe I can pull them up.

I believe there were eight sins, and the Old Testament.

Yeah.

In the old, in the Old Testament, seven spirits of Deceit are mentioned in Reading fornication, gluttony fighting vainglory Pride, lying and Injustice.

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Right.

That's when the Old Testament.

Yeah, yeah, vanity I guess.

Is something as sort of the same there's overlap, are ya thinkin about the same stuff and did you know about the virtues know vaguely?

Yeah, so there are, there are the seven virtues and again, I I'm actually not sure where this comes from.

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I always assumed it was the Bible, but it might be Dante.

It's not his either bought side of the Bible down here Milton, there's no other tax.

So the virtues are Chastity which you think of it as a little little outdated Temperance.

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It's like okay charity.

That's a diligence seems weird.

You know what I mean?

Tenacity Protestant work ethic.

I guess.

Yeah I guess.

Sure.

All right well I'm just trying to think of like yeah.

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Yeah, in terms of like the Seven Virtues, that's like, you know, it's like pride In The Name of Love, You know, a good song but doesn't make it top 10 list know like I don't know, kindness patience, and humility, humility, of course, being the opposite of pride.

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I think these days that it is, it is still sort of continues to be a maligned.

It's funny.

I think that it provides sort of got his day in the sun, maybe in the, I don't know.

I would even think, like, the Middle Ages or like I think there was a lot more to be, you know, I'm thinking of chivalry and like nights and stuff like that or even like, even in the 20th century.

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There's a lot of Pride but it seems to be once again becoming something that's sort of a vise.

So we're, you know, you don't want to be too proud about something like some things, it's okay to be proud about some things.

That's not.

And then there's internalized pride, externalized pride.

Yeah.

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You know, like I would counter them.

I'm sure, you know, the tales of Homer with Odysseus and achilles were pretty proud individuals as well, right now, at least at least there were presented in a way that there, maybe you shouldn't be proud of them, this is the thing, but their virtues is created the characters they are and therefore we Be proud of the good virtues they have, right?

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And therefore act on The Virtue, not just Pride without the ambition of actually doing something.

Yeah, look at these guys, this is my history, my I must be fantastic.

Sure.

What have you done, right?

Right.

Well, that's the thing, right?

Like the I think pride is at least my definition of pride and I would think that this would be what everybody would think but you know, I don't know, like I guess your mileage might vary but pride is the the more local it is to ooh you the more it's about something you've done and can and an accomplishment you've done.

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That's the more Pride.

You should feel like this idea of conferring Pride to you know acts that other people have done or acts that like you know.

Because for example like the color of your skin, if you're like like and this gets into an area that, you know, I think it's going to be kind of interesting to talk about but like the idea of Like white pride or black pride doesn't make sense to me.

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Like there should never be Pride about something that you can be proud that you're like, six feet tall didn't do anything to deserve.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Like there shouldn't.

I don't understand the notion of Pride there are gay pride for that matter.

Like, I think that I think that just before, like, you know, like drinking like bombarded with hate mail.

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The, I think that, I think that it's something else, I don't necessarily think it's Pride, right?

Like I think that those, he group identity know, it's group identity, I think it would it is, is that it's Saying that like, we're, it's instead of saying, like, saying gay pride and having being proud of, that is a way of saying, we're not ashamed of that.

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I think there's a, and it's just, it's a better way of saying that.

Like, it sounds better than well, when has been presented as shameful for, you know, thousands of years.

I can totally understand that.

Yeah, yeah, no.

It's it is.

Yeah, it's it is a misnomer but it's like, I understand, I certainly understand the motivation behind it and when you get into like gay pride parades and everything, where it's like this, you know, trumpets blaring and like, you know, Flags waving and people marching down the street.

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It's like that's a celebration I guess of being of your identity.

And it's basically it's saying we're not ashamed of this anymore.

Sure.

And I can all behind that in terms of You know, equal rights?

Yeah, of course.

I know it's, but you have to be careful these days.

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You have to just, you know, yeah, I know.

Yeah, there is a disclaimer, like could 100% equal rights.

Just, I don't like it.

When it starts to be presented as like, your the Unicorn or the star, or better than because it can be, it's a fine line between taking that and making it equal or over promoting it.

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Yeah.

And like, how do you not over promote it and one sense because it's been around for, you know, it's been kept in the closet.

Let's say for 2,000 years and Moment to come out right then?

How do you promote it to just the right amount?

Yeah.

Because then you get other interests involved and it's like, you know then becomes kind of a bit of a business so it's like I think a lot of it, you know, was started in the right with the right intentions behind it and I think I think that that movement needed to have that like I do but I think that I think it's a big difference.

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I think people confuse this idea of like pride and respect You know, like I think that that's fine.

That's fine to be respectful.

And I have talked to a gay people who have, who aren't necessarily thrilled about like some of the stuff that happens at the gay pride parade and feel like it misrepresented that their misrepresent seems.

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But I also I think that they would, I think that they would also have the caveat is like they think it's an important thing to have happen in the first place and like with its associated with like, you know, if you're somebody's saying that you're different or Like what your love isn't the kind of love.

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That's like, you know, ordained by God, or whatever, it's not true.

Then, you know, it makes sense to, you're going to want to fire back with like, you know, sort of like a proud demonstration like walking down the street and being like, yeah, well, it is, it is true love.

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So yeah, it's it's interesting.

That's why.

I mean, I think it was a protest parade initially.

Yeah, yeah.

So you totally totally fine with that.

Yeah. but yeah I do think the so then we'll get into like I mean so this idea of white pride like I think that I think that a lot of this stuff I think I think with black pride I think it's the same thing.

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I think it's a group that had for the longest time was thought of as not equal or or had a lot of flavoring.

Yeah yeah.

And there the idea of now being able to sort of come out into the Sun and being like you know we have our own culture we have our own like you know we've been saying this the whole time kind of thing and to be able to now take Rains and say, like, you know, there's we are proud to be black.

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I think that that's like, emblematic of, we're proud of our culture, or we're proud of this, like, because it's not the same thing, right?

Like, I mean, quite like the color of your skin is, like, the color of your skin.

It's not something to be proud of, but it's proud.

You should be proud to be part of those are Ray Seward's.

There's no, but the, but the, but the, but you should be proud about, like being part of a group.

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Like, I can understand.

It's like, saying, how far do I take this big, one more Jews in the Holocaust.

Like, I mean, like, you know, I think that there's Is like there's like that is sustained almost Judaism, like the ha, like, not that it hasn't been sustained.

Definitely group identity can help keep the the individuals within said group glued together glue together and successful in getting their genes to the Next Generation like just literally survival.

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Yeah.

And and it's kind of that thing, where if others are aligned against you, you bond together, you know, it's the enemy of my enemy is my friend and then it kind of forges you as a group.

So it's so whatever I you don't, I guess.

Here the whole white pride thing.

I always kind of roll my eyes because I'm like, like it's this whole idea of like, well, you should be well, why can't white people be proud?

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And like, because you shouldn't be probably if you're because of your skin color.

You know what I mean?

That's why I like, you can be proud that your American or proud that you're.

So you let me, I'm really confused.

You're okay with black pride but and Jewish pry, but not white pride.

No II think that anybody who's proud of their skin color or some like Like I think that the degree to, which the you are straying away from personal accomplishments that you've done, is the degree to, which the amount of pride should Wane.

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So, like it, like, if you're proud of, if you're proud, because you're black, if you're like, I'm Black and I'm Proud, then what I'm saying is it's ridiculous to be to be proud.

Take this snippet out of context.

It's To be proud of your skin color.

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So whether it's black or white, but it makes sense to me, that people, like, like black people because they were, it was so, like, aligned against, in many ways and they sort of as a group because of their skin color were had so many tribulations to overcome, they then forged together as as a group can understand the reasoning.

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Well, I can understand that.

I'm just saying it's not Pride, I'm saying it's like, you should be proud of that.

You should be proud of your Culture.

You should be proud of your how you like the actions.

Yeah.

And what you certainly aren't as you can making other attribute, like it could have been skin color number of digits on your hand, like you could pick any attributes.

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Exactly.

Yeah.

Religion.

One probably wise.

It's like, what do you proud of?

Like nobody gave you the blue eyes, but God or, you know, whomever you choose today, you're right.

You're right.

I'm diffusing.

It just to the skin color as opposed to thinking of the the meaning behind what took to keep your peoples going.

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Like isn't the The trials and tribulations and sticking together as a one homogeneous unit.

Yeah, that's we should put your focus on right.

Carlos of the attribute that suggests that differentiates you from the other groups.

Absolutely.

And I think it's important because I think these days it's so we were talking before about like how people get caught up in.

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Like we don't want to say the wrong thing and like a 5 minute, 10 minute, soundbite or whatever.

But it's like we have to as adults.

And as people who are trying to make sense of the world get away from this whole idea of just like trying to capture somebody saying the wrong thing at the wrong.

I'm it's like, you know, within context as it when we in context, as you know what I'm saying, here is just there's nothing I don't think anyone really thinking about it would think there's anything like controversial about it is just that for sure and to your point when you say white pride black pride Jewish Pride there's nothing about being white black or Jewish that made that actually actionable.

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Right, right.

So it's the what made it actionable.

That is the thing.

You should be proud about.

Yeah, we stuck together.

We got ourselves educated.

We were diligent with our money.

Those are the attributes of said.

Group rights should be proud about, not the actual weltmeister.

My eyes happened to be blue, they're there for a part of the blue, the blue group, and that's just amazing on its own.

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Yeah, you know, but it's just, you know, people like to downsize and like oversimplify things.

Yeah, I think that's a ways away to sell it kind of thing or whatever.

But that's, it is a little bit of the problem though, because you get it comes into these things.

Where people are like, well, what about white pride?

Because there's a logic thing, you can say like, Well, yeah, if they have black pride, why can't why people have white pride?

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But it's like, It's because, you know, the difference is, it's not, the thing is, is not about skin color, and it just, you know, it's just not about skin color.

So then you have because black people were oppressed.

That's what their, that's what that's what that is.

That's what that whole block.

You're going to sit there and say, western western Europe's accomplishments, or the west of which even the West is divided into Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

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And of course, you just look at WWII, you can see how non unified Europe was right?

And then to sit back and say, well, wait a sec, we have a lot to be proud.

About together.

If you give people the chance, they'll find all kinds of things to create smaller and smaller groups.

Yeah.

17:08

You know, and the smaller the group, the more, I think that you have a right to be proud about it, more closely connected to the actual impetus, why it is a group to begin?

Right, right now.

Yeah.

Like one of the things I've always had a problem with, like I I don't know how athletic I am.

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I'm fairly athletic, though.

I like, I do a lot of athletic things, but it's like II used to watch sports all the time like Hockey, baseball, especially when I was young, but I've kind of gotten over and there was a period where I watch football and I fell football for a while, but I really sort of getting over it as the years went by.

17:43

When I noticed that hockey is a little bit of an exception with this but like with a lot of like in Canada, we just don't have like, a lot of canadian-born, baseball players.

So it's all players from the Second Republic or you know Texas or wherever the come play for the Toronto Blue Jays for like maybe you know used to be actually longer contracts but now you but now you have even shorter contract.

18:04

So it's like I went to I was in Pittsburgh last weekend and it was like a celebration kind of thing for my dad's birthday and we went to see a like my dad and my brother will feel like fanatic Baseball fans.

So we went to this, we went to two games and beautiful field and PNC park, by the way.

18:20

Like it's like the best ballpark I've ever had.

Been in terms of like the Aesthetics Pacific has always been a sport town.

Oh yeah.

The Steeler crazy for their Steelers.

Yeah.

And like that like the whole setup and he went to the city that the two rivers and oh yeah it's really cool.

Yeah.

It's a beautiful city.

Yeah.

18:35

I'm surprised you don't really think of that but it's like it actually is a really nice city in the ballpark is amazing and they did this cool little drone show and it was really neat.

But you know I recognize I was like, okay so what are the J is doing is I don't really follow it.

Like I'm I maybe I don't know there's been kind of runs where I'd get in Do it.

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But I used to like when I was young, like, my grandmother was really into the Jays like I was I was really into the Jays, I was into them for a long time, then they had like this strike back in 93 and then there was like a couple of other things that happened, I'm like, you know, corporate why's that I was like, you know what, like I don't need this.

But the main thing is, I don't understand who I'm cheering for, like my cheering.

19:11

Like, who, why do I want Toronto, the Toronto Blue Jays to when you know what I mean?

Because a bunch of players that are being paid millions of dollars from other countries are like you've done anything to?

Yeah, it's not like I've done even if it's gone.

Yeah, I know, I don't eat with my shower together.

GoFundMe for the Toronto, Maple Leafs.

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Yeah, yeah.

All the money's, not the problem, but yeah, but it, but I see her.

You know what I mean?

We don't actually have anything to do with the thing that we're showing Pride about.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

So, you see, and I mean, I understand more like, you know, you get into like college football or high school football.

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It's like, okay there's more of the collection.

Yes, smaller group more local, and it makes sense to feel more pride in that, like, you know, maybe you're not on the team but your friends.

With somebody's on their team and your, you know, maybe you guys were talking and like, you know, you said some inspiring things.

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So you feel a little bit, you know, in some way responsible for the game or whatever, your kind of like you're bonded together more, I guess system that you're in the larger context, if you feel the pain of the losses, then you're also going to feel the joy of the Winds so it's what you feel.

Yeah.

Maybe take it personally even though it's a group, but it just, it just doesn't make sense.

20:17

Like I mean II don't like, I do, I do want to do, what am I doing here?

Why did I jump off the couch?

Like I mean sometimes it's just about you don't even want to think about it too much because it's like you still feel it?

Like I mean I remember watching my tribal.

Yeah it's really just a metaphor that that's your Army on the field and somewhere in our you know Chromebook Cro-Magnon brains is like well my tribe whoever's on that team, just won and my city safe and of my flags are amok, and the people are on the streets and its revolution.

20:46

And it's just, we're safe.

I think it's very tribal.

Yeah, you see the play out more in the Olympics.

He wins individual sports.

You get the flags going down.

Nationalism, people, you've never met never heard of, you'll never interact with and all of a sudden because they went to the same.

I do they drive down the same roads, or maybe trained at a facility?

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You've passed by once, like that's where they trained.

Yeah, I'm extra proud.

Yeah.

That's that's going to show that the system that you pay for in your taxes.

Actually.

Help reduce that person.

Yeah.

Maybe, you know, beyond DNA because obviously it's Multicultural, you know.

So it's more like, you know, USSR was showing their system versus the West, right?

21:20

Yeah, right.

And it's like, okay well or system one or.

Yeah.

So it's really about Of systems at that point.

And then if you are a citizen of said system, then you do have a right to be proud of it, right, right.

Yeah.

It's yeah.

I mean like if Earth battled the Martians or something like that, and there was a big war and we won, like we'd all feel proud to be Earth earthy ins or there's always spies amongst us.

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Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really interesting known as the various so human eye are so fault is almost out of istic.

Yeah.

Like it's not even it's It's like it's in that part of the brain where it's like old, you know what I mean?

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Like, I kind of, probably out of istic like old, like, you know, hearkens back to the caveman like tribal, like you said, it's been years.

I don't know.

It might have been called the limbic system but I forget.

Yeah.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, your fight-or-flight stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway yeah.

Yeah.

22:14

But it's there and we feel it.

Yeah, you know.

But like you said, you turn on the TV sometimes and you'll just see these commercials that are feel very propaganda St.

I didn't see commercials like that 10 years ago.

Well what are the change happen, you know?

Like so I'm just all about equality.

I just keep it like, you know, make it legal, make it equality.

22:33

If someone does something that's unfair to another person, you know, like there's punishment of some sort and you just move on.

I don't like the over promoting the propaganda.

Okay.

Was what are you saying about the commercials?

Like the I can be like, you know, anything with my sexuality because racism like mentally.

It's almost like just make it equal and move on because the more you tear at it, I don't know if it actually makes Things.

22:53

I would like to see this in the future, but it actually makes things better.

We're equal.

Awesome.

I think forward.

I think what I know what you mean, and I've seen a tuna.

I don't like it.

Either at what bothers me about it is.

I really like II.

Don't know how you would do this without it appearing disingenuous, but it really does.

23:11

Every time I see it all, I see are a bunch of white guys, and I'm boardroom like deciding like looking at demographics me like, which minority character do we need here?

Like, let's make sure we've got represent everyone and it's so disingenuous.

It's so like, Also say, there may be like your they're utilizing their pain to make themselves look more virtuous.

23:27

Yeah.

As a company.

Yeah.

And it's just I had something distasteful and that and that being said, I mean, I mean I think it is I think it's a good thing to have like people like people of color, you know, represented I just started I don't or, you know, different sexualities.

23:45

I think that a lot of it is like, yeah, like you said is really hard to find something that is, well, there's they can be they can overplay your hand and you can Didn't unfortunately, would slingshot backwards and I just don't think that's like a pendulum go back to our the other way.

Yeah.

Like wasn't it about a month or two ago?

Like something like Disney said half their characters going forward.

24:03

Will be lgtbq sort of thing.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't know if that's true but like I believe there was a new stereo set.

Yeah.

And it was an uproar and people were boycotting Disney.

My point is, that's awesome.

I would like to see more representation as well, but somewhat keep it proportional to that, which is a reflection of the actual Society.

24:21

We live in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the point.

Equality, right?

Right?

Yeah.

It's funny like, I remember like just movies we would watch or like I do, I just remember there being.

Like, I don't think like, I would be, and maybe everybody would be like if it wasn't, if it wasn't such a point of like every time I see like I you know, a trans character in some new sitcom or something.

24:48

It's like that's just Democrats.

Just them saying like what's trendy now like let's throw trans character unless Make sure everybody knows she's trans.

Hijacking their pain, that's why.

Yeah, I know.

And that's, that's not respectful to what they've been through.

I went for me personally.

Yeah, I so I would ask the like, how do you go about including those people though, without it seeming disingenuous that's art, you know, you have to.

25:11

Yeah, don't just be be tasteful about it.

Nuanced, you know.

Yeah.

There's, you know, there's a you could, you could say, I don't know, let's take something like pop culture C-3PO.

The robot was programmed to GE, you know, there's Rider isms.

Okay.

Nobody would really have an issue.

25:27

He was just C-3PO.

He was a character.

I don't think they program all.

He's a little light on his toes, and everything was a battle.

He would do the way but not that having sex with another do his own sexuality, but you know, the stereotypes.

Yeah.

But you know that's just 32 care.

25:42

Was that his bottom actually see through the aortic Arch.

Exhale.

But then, you know, like so no, I don't think you could take that sort of character and make a make a Backstory to them that I think people would understand.

Because it's true to the nature of the character and in some sort of way that we're familiar with, right?

26:00

But if you were to take the same movie and go well, you know, actually we're going to do a remake and I'm we're going to this time.

Make Han Solo gay.

It was like, right.

Sort of like the womanizing kind of guy.

Yeah.

What do you mean?

Well, you know, he was in that bar and Tatooine, if you noticed, there were just men in that bar, right?

26:16

Maybe that bar was actually a gay bar and that's why those are wretched Hive of Thieves or whatever.

Obi-Wan says like, you could just take Some way that you be like, okay, now you're just pandering and recreating things that aren't true to the original story at all.

Yeah.

And then it becomes off like we're saying fake, right?

26:32

Right.

Just I don't like to answer your question a couple minutes ago.

It's just about keeping it honest authentic nuanced and not overtly like shoving it in your face because it's the trendiest thing of the day.

Yeah, I would agree it.

26:48

You're right.

It is about art like there are directors and writers who can successfully do that and then there's Others who can't.

And and like you said, when you tag it on afterwards, it was like the whole thing when George Lucas wanted to make was a different situation but make Han Solo, shoot, first or ours or not, not shoot for us, it's like that takes away his Edge.

27:06

One of his characters, he's a bad guy and he has a narc.

Yeah he works through the arc you know.

So to take away that moment you're taking away.

Something is very fundamental to how we're supposed to have viewed him.

Yeah.

But you know if you want to sell it to Disney for four billion dollars you're gonna have like well we're actually everybody's a good guy on this.

27:23

Head right.

And that's where becomes fake and about money.

Yeah, right, it's exactly that type of thing.

But in other domains whether it's skin color race, race skin out of the same thing.

But you know, sexuality politics, like, whatever.

There's so I remember.

So hating George?

27:40

Lucas went after the, you know, the prequels came out and just thinking, like, oh, he's destroying the franchise and everything and it's like, how could this get any worse?

And then it, like God sold a Disney.

You know what I heard?

It's an interesting guy, I didn't like the prequels much either, but what I heard was interesting was A lot of the voices, like the younger kids that grew up in that era.

27:57

Absolutely.

Love the prequels.

Yeah, because it wasn't really an internet with any social media, their voices weren't Amplified, huh?

And now that they're getting to be 25 30, 35 years of age.

Like, that's my Star Wars.

That was amazing.

I changed my life.

So history is looking at it in a more, kind light.

28:14

Yeah, I remember actually like when they came out, I was surprised.

I'm like, why is this?

So like appealing to kids thinking?

Like, you know what like like, well, why?

I want to appeal to my the to me, he but it's like because that's what the show originally was doing.

Like they're just doing the same thing it's just I'm not I'm older now.

28:29

So it's not like it's not clicking as much but I would still argue those like our generation that I'm one to see basically Star Wars turn into the Terminator, right?

Are, you know, like completely cyberpunk, you know, and we forget that it had Ewoks and furry little creatures, and yeah, as a few no Happy Endings, you know, right?

28:50

So, yeah, I mean, obviously the prequels have issues, but They're not as bad as what and, you know, compared to the sequel's, at least the prequels had a reason to exist.

They show the story arc of characters that we needed to see.

Yeah, like Star Wars went from being the Luke Skywalker story to actually the main characters, Darth Vader and Anakin right and his journey, which you wouldn't have got from just the original trilogy.

29:10

I also think, and I could be wrong like, at least in America are hot like big Hollywood movies that The those were the first prequels.

Like the first idea of like let's do something before this happened at least as a Trilogy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know II don't know.

Is that?

And then I remember when lost did that season three and you're like oh my God, they're doing flash forwards and was just like so mind-blowing.

29:32

Yeah, so yeah, just a harp on Star Wars for just a brief second.

Like I think the prequels you said it can be art and maybe not are done so well, but they had, they were true to the actual intention of what the whole story was supposed to be where he had the more polished sequels to come afterwards, but they didn't really push any character development forward at all.

29:51

Yeah.

And they weren't interesting.

Yeah, exactly.

And so, this is what we're talking about.

Like, whether it's someone's gender race, it's got to be about your character, and your character development and feel authentic, you know, you can't just be like, well, we're going to insert Sir, tendon in the sequel's they did insert, I believe it was a lesbian kiss at the very end of the movie.

30:07

I don't know if you saw that and the celebratory sort of scene of all, the thousands of people and in Zooms in briefly, for one short little second to very minor characters, both female kissing on the lips and so, the whole Community were like, that's fantastic, Disney.

30:24

Guess what?

That part actually was cut out in China?

Hmm.

So how much does Disney actually means this, right?

And by tacking it on, at the end of the movie it's easy to edit that out of.

Yeah.

Right.

And what's wrong?

With having a character?

Like, be be in a same-sex relationship all the way through the movie.

30:41

Why do you have to do?

You actually?

So look at us.

We're so great.

We end up.

You know, you're not breathe.

Make that person pertinent through the whole thing and show me it.

Yeah.

And there's been plenty of shows, have done that.

Have had like a good, a good relationship or it's like Either a gay relationship or somebody who's queer or something, where there's like and it just becomes a side thing to the show.

31:04

Like, it really isn't like the focal point.

It's just like, okay that's who they're with or whatever and it's like because the character is so well written and the actors good or whatever.

That combination non-factor.

Yeah, in a sense.

Yeah, it's one part of their personality as opposed to the overarching only part.

Yeah Personality.

31:19

Yeah.

That's always the problem I have, you know, with a lot of these movies like The Avengers movies and other thing, like it's just like they become there.

Are so devoid of story.

Now that it's all.

I mean, there's also like it's not just about that, it's just, I just feel like the writers of just like, it's gotten so corporatized, they're like, okay, we know what the audience likes, they, we want to, oh yeah, we got to keep a knit up.

31:39

It's got to be about gorillas saving the universe.

Even the Multiverse has got to be like, what more can we like?

It's like they want to keep one-upping.

The last one until it just gets ridiculous and you're just like, well what do you say to myself more than Universe?

You just save you just saved, you know, past in the future like But but, but that's just the decline of, you know, and there's nothing wrong with like it's easy flick, but just know that what you're on is like a roller coaster ride for Cheap Thrills and it's not some sort of form of high, art, Italy.

32:08

And therefore, you probably want to keep your politics out of it because it's just a kids movie, right?

You know, when you think about it to these movies are mostly geared, I think for like kids, right?

So like 18 and younger.

So how much politics do you really want to throw into their?

Well, I don't know if they would be considerate.

Throwing in politics though, if they're like saying, like the problem is, I think you hit the nail.

32:26

And I had originally was like, I just don't think they're well done.

Like, it's like, it's not done well, when it's done, well, then it's, then you don't notice.

And, it's like, oh, that's that's great.

Like, I like there's no, I don't think there's very many people who have anything.

Well, they probably are some people, but I don't have any problem with like, like any of any of, you know, minority relationship types and shows or whatever or anything like that.

32:49

Like, it's just like, it just has to not be the show, has to not be about that.

Like, it has to be about some, or unless it's like a specifically about that.

What if he took like, duh, Hoffman in The Graduate and he's having the affair of the woman, right?

And then somehow, let's say you actually have the affair end but for a different reason, because he actually decides he's gay rights.

33:08

Amazing like, oh wow, he came to some sort of Revelation.

Yes, true to his character at ends the relationship.

Yeah.

Because he realizes something internally about himself and he move on and she kind of comes to terms with it and actually become great friends and just like, okay, that it is what it is.

Really like you could easily.

I don't, I should say easily but it can be done.

33:24

Yeah, I want it's tacked.

Onto a little lesbian kiss.

I didn't have a Star Wars film where you can edit it out easily when you go to China?

Yeah, don't tell me you really mean it.

Right.

Right.

No, I agree.

That's yeah, I think and it's just that I think Hollywood movies are going to be example or good.

33:40

They really kind of set the template in a lot of ways for the, you know, for culture in America and the West.

There's a lot of it's like one of their biggest exports is like Hollywood movies.

I didn't know that before, but it's it actually makes like a Phenom bring In a phenomenal amount of money into America, the in the overseas market and why not?

34:02

So, does that mean?

Our values are becoming globalized and order to please the capitalistic?

Yeah, nature of our world.

Well, it's better than, you know, soybeans being your major export, right?

Like capitalism is homogenizing our values globally.

Yeah, that's, that's an interesting idea.

34:19

Yeah, it's a Well, what's interesting about it is how much the rest of the world has gravitated toward American Cinema, but because there must be something in those cultural values that is instinctively, appealing to a great number of people, right?

34:35

Well, if the West did one thing, right?

It was that they really nailed it on the head of the sovereignty of the individual.

Yeah.

And a lot of American movies, you know, the John Wayne's Luke Skywalker's, they really nail the I don't say freedom-loving cuz it's so tainted.

But do you know the The hero's journey, you know, which tends to be an individual, you know, and not to make this into a movie.

34:57

I think I might actually be a good show.

I'd love to do a movie podcast and the in a music One.

The I would say like, you know, when DieHard came out like there was no expectation that it was going to be a hit at all like in people didn't want Bruce Willis and there was but something about John McCain and that whole it's the same thing like that rugged individualism or it's like one down in his La cop or whatever I can Against the world against all these smarter European times.

35:24

It's like there's something about that.

If you want to root for the guy, he wasn't a like great at his job.

He wasn't ripped yet Rambo.

He was kind of like the Al Bundy of police officers, you know the everyday man, that bad.

But yeah I know, you know, the everyday man sort of thing.

Yes.

Yes.

So it's that would be appealing.

35:39

Yeah.

And it was certainly a slew of all kinds of movies that looked and felt like that during the 80s.

Yeah.

Yeah, a lot of them copying die-hard.

Like it was kind of like such a seminal movie but yeah, it's interesting how I do think there's something in that were there's people, it's almost like, I think, because American values are so aligned with human values if that makes sense like it.

36:03

Well humanistic humanistic values.

Well, I think that the and, you know, this is not to be confused with like, I know the American government is not a horrible, horrible things and my girlfriend's going to a like Symposium or something tomorrow night, where there's going to be a speech George w--.

36:20

Bush is going to be Our and it's like a hundred bucks for a ticket and I was like, you know, how much is it?

The Stephen Harper's also going to be there, but I was like, how much is it?

Like, I would love to just go there and boom, like I think George w-- Bush.

It's so much like his administration did so much wrong.

Like you just heard this the other the past week, North Korea.

36:37

Now, you know, proudly proudly.

There's there's that keyword again, proudly proclaiming that they have nuclear weapons now so that so it's like, you know it's like what did Bush do about that when there was time to do something?

Instead went after Iraq, who Was like, you know, and it's among his other like, you know, various like missteps and crimes and misdemeanors.

37:01

He, he really, it was a horrible president.

But anyways, side note the it's a, I think there's something in you.

Not to be confused with the America has done kind of a lot of bad things, but I think like you said like what they've got right was like the Constitution.

37:17

And this idea of really promoting the individualism and I think that that just really aligns With what instinctually is our human values.

And well, they also nurtured the might be instinctual, but I think it's also like, it's been culturally nurtured for a very long time.

Yeah.

Like for instance, would you agree with this statement that human human rights are strongest in countries that came out of the same lineage of Western Christianity With what I believe.

37:48

But I agree.

What I say, sorry.

Can you say that again?

Yeah.

So yeah.

So human rights, we talk about human rights in a secular way these days Are those human rights, overwhelmingly more embedded and more stronger in countries that came through the same.

38:04

Cultural lineage as Western Christianity.

Countries that were Christian and now are much more Multicultural and secular have sort of replaced Christianity with human rights, right?

Right.

But could we have got to that level of secular human rights with out the Christianity?

38:23

Yeah, so then you would have to ask yourself.

Well, let's look at other countries that don't have Christianity and where did they achieve their human rights right?

Would you say there's a difference?

Yeah, I do think that there's a different.

I think that like a country like Canada, for example, that is Necessarily a religious, an overly religious country.

38:42

Well taking, I guess, Quebec out of the equation, because you're probably more, I would assume Catholic, but there is, you know, a lot of our values are based on Christian values, right?

Like it's what they instinctual or where they groomed over to 3,000 years.

38:58

Yeah, it's a good question.

Well, I would say that their instinctual I but I, but I could certainly hear arguments to the contrary because I would think of like other countries like just because you know, China, for example, even the average Chinese person I think is going to have the same type of values, right?

39:16

Like they're going to be, you know, well the value good.

They would say because you know they just cover to the emperor.

What?

Like summer old WWII right and China.

Yeah.

Oh sorry.

No I'm thinking I think Japan's.

Yeah my was focus on Japan which so you're saying human rights would have the same.

Well I waited in China as the West I think everybody I think everybody I think Humanity has everybody has the same like everybody cares.

39:38

Their children.

I think there's certainly ways that everybody has the same potential, but has that potential been as you said Instinct?

But has it been groomed and nurtured in the same way that is actually visibly different on the street?

I would say countries on whole, not individuals like China Mongolia Russia Africa.

39:59

Pains me to say this because I only see the potential in all humans to be better, but I wouldn't be hard pressed to say human rights are better in those countries than in the west.

Yeah I would agree.

But Russia is a Christian country.

Yeah, you have that.

40:17

And yeah, communism replaced it.

And so you see the difference though too?

You go from let's say Christian and democracy to Christian communism.

These things oscillate up and down but I you'd have a hard time putting you know and for all its legal communism like it sounds like the most altruistic human rights program ever made you know right but again that's the problem with there because they think they're going for the collective versus the rights of the individual, right?

40:43

Which is completely the opposite of really if you want to maybe you'll totally disagree.

I'm going to go on a limb here, but if you think about it, some people always ask well what in Jesus be a Democrat today.

He's like thinking about the little guy, you know, socialize, it's all of the community together and I can totally understand that argument.

41:00

Does it broke too?

So I was that he was broken.

He was at all.

Yeah.

It is in the sand.

Yeah, it's handout, you know.

But, but really and I for most of my life, I always thought.

Yeah.

41:15

Jesus would have been a Democrat.

These are the values that he would have in spouse the most, but then I thought about it, Um, a slightly different point of view you like, yes, on that one level he would have a Democrat but he was also quite the individualist, which would put him on the right side will respond with responsibility, personal responsibility.

41:32

It's actually don't go through the synagogue.

It's going to be you and God one-on-one.

We're going to bypass all this sort of bureaucratic stuff, right?

Which is more socialist, and it's just, you and God, and that's it, you know, and it's kind of really direct and individualized and I think there's a reason why then Christianity really took off once they left in like the Hellenic States because they were the countries, that valued the, the sanctity and sovereignty of the individual the most right for all their faults.

42:01

And yes, Sparta had slaves.

Yes, but if you look at the world on whole at the time, individual rights were greatest in that which was Greece, ancient Greece.

So, therefore like it's really, it's really compatible in that sense his brand, let's say, Jesus is By press the demo, the bureaucratic state, right?

42:22

And it's just, you and God, but I don't know.

Like, I think that I would go out on a limb to say that these human traits are Universal.

And I think that that's why, for example, with Communism, you see communism fail is because their system is incompatible with the actual human traits.

42:46

Everybody feels in their hearts like the and I am For another example is, I think that's why human are like Hollywood movies resonate, so much.

Like it's there's just the this sort of inherent truth to them that I think that people and you know I'm just thinking like like I think there's an inherent truth in them that either telling stories that it are instinctively familiar or instinctively, feel good.

43:11

Well they're all based on.

You know, I'm values.

We have as a culture but as it turns out has been exhibited in other stories, we've had, you know, from Shakespeare back.

To your panties or something.

Well, I'm just saying that even in even in countries, like India or in countries like China.

Like, you'll still get that importation of American culture from because they eat the human on an individual's level.

43:32

Like, we're all the same desires that like, there's a reason why ancient Greece when from being ancient Greece to like the Hellenic Republic because Hellenism was really no longer about your jeans.

It was about believing in these ideals and spreading them around the world.

You know, I was kind of like the first franchise right Zander.

43:48

The great sort of Can take these ideals and completely just, you know, they will morph and change a little bit as we head in that time East from Athens.

But but certainly they they were recognized.

Even then to be Universal traits of which everybody would enjoy and is capable of adhering to right?

44:09

You know, so there's nothing, there's nothing ethnic about it.

There's nothing skin color about it or your sexuality about it, right?

It gets really Universal, but Universal.

On an individual level, whereas communism tries to make it as a, like, a collective Centrist.

44:25

Yes, which totally decimates the sovereignty of the individual for the better good of the collective, which we see coming into, you know, are that way of thinking through green agendas?

Nothing else these days here?

Yeah, feels if you're going back to Pride, you feel proud to sacrifice for the collective, right?

44:45

And I almost utilizing that now.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

A noble virtue.

Like they've actually taken it into a virtue.

Instead of having the humility.

You taking that pride and say?

I will sacrifice and I'll be proud for that sacrifice for the collective.

Yeah, did you hear recently about the trucker's protest?

45:04

There was something I just saw this.

I actually thought of you, when I write when I write, I was like something, like seventy percent of Canadians wouldn't vote for somebody who supported the Canada trucker called.

It was a recent poll that was like, a few days ago and I think you need to see that.

It's funny.

45:19

Well, I mean, who knows how these things are worded, but I just thought it smelled like propaganda to me.

And I was felt like, okay, we got to make sure that - she probably have down, but yeah, start a thinking 100%.

So, yeah.

And so, pure, Paul Wall.

You want you talk a little about it?

45:34

Well, he just one last night.

The conservative party's leadership.

Would you quit?

He called these things election.

Is it?

Yeah, the leadership to the are the leadership convention convention?

Yeah.

And I talked to a lot of people on a daily basis and I'll ask them all the time.

45:53

So, like what do you, what do you think of this guy or the asking me?

Because that's they just know my nature.

I enjoy these sorts of conversations and when I asked them, they're like, well, I just can't I can't vote for somebody who has those sorts of ideas and policies and the last time, well, what exactly about the policies of pure polyols?

46:11

Do you not like and like, well I don't actually know much about his policies but I just know.

And then just to your point the truckers and people have been Beards and The Fringe movements of Alberta and you'll never win Ontario with a platform like that, like what platform like, what are we talking about here?

46:28

Other than defund, the CBC, which is definitely a brand-new and very extreme policy, but you have to admit three out of the four leadership candidates for the conservative party.

Where had that is their platform as well.

So how Fringe is it went through to the for leadership candidates or a pledge?

46:45

Proposing the same, yeah, reduction in subsidies to the state.

Sponsored main states the bond Sardar news Outlet.

Yeah I yeah not extreme so I don't think people have any like, you can't make good judgments if you don't have good information, right?

And where does that information come from?

47:02

So this is the other thing, too.

I don't like Rebel news and all these sorts of things.

I think they actually do a decent job and editing Clips, but they can come off a little too bombastic, a right wing.

And I never never share stuff from that sort of organization, but What makes them when they were trying to get into the trucker's of Freedom, Convoy streets, the RCMP or whatever.

47:27

They were guards would allow broadcasters that had the badges from CBC Citytv, Global News to go in and broadcast.

But with somebody came there for Rebel news microphone they're like sorry, you're not from a real journalistic organization what defines one to be real and one not be real.

47:45

Those that are real.

Are the ones who get governments.

Subsidies right.

Right.

Okay, so what are we into now?

Like, you know, and I'm saying this as a person who doesn't not a fan, but I have like a verbal news, but you have to call a spade, a spade.

Yeah.

So only those, which, take money from the government are allowed to go there and then videotape and talked about what the government is doing.

48:02

And you're going to tell me you can get an unbiased answer back, right?

How that's where becomes much more left-wing much more?

I wouldn't even know if it's left and right anymore exist because where you need to talk about National national socialism.

But that most people agree, there was very little social Stick about the Nazis obviously but we're getting this weird realm know that I would say the fascist fascist elements are not exclusive to just to the right.

48:26

You're getting that authoritarian merger of politics and business with a centralized authoritarian structures on the left.

Yeah, which is what we normally call fascism as well, right?

Except they're, they're not communist in a sense because it's a partnership between private and public.

48:42

So, so my issue is like, how do we get good news?

I had.

And how do we make the decisions based on this, you know?

Yeah.

Like I mean it really and that, you know, we've talked about that before where it's like, you know, we really need more almost sources of Truth in the media that we're sitting diversity in the media, what we do and we need like, we need authoritative.

49:08

We need places to go to where you just going to get the straight Goods where it's like, this is what happened, like, take what take what you will of that.

Well, you're just not going to counter.

You're not going to counter misinformation with censorship.

You just you going to counter it with more and better information and let the individual decide.

49:25

Yeah, the guy really it's messy.

It's dangerous, we're educated, and we're adults.

And that's why we allow people of a certain age to vote, right?

Which by the way the left once they've lowered to 16 like you know, but what are we doing?

You know, you know like we did have this instance incident rather Don't know, what did you say about 23 weeks ago?

49:47

Or some person came up to chrystia Freeland.

Our Deputy Prime Minister in Alberta at the evening.

She was in some sort of government offices.

Maybe a city hall of some sort doing.

I built some, maybe even personal business and I don't think it was on official business.

And yeah, he had a beard and he had a white, what do we call them undershirt on, you know, okay, wife-beater.

50:08

Yeah.

I just trying to stay away from the cards, you know.

But, um, so although it's almost like like, it was planned because it just like you just look the role so much, but I guess Yes, maybe it wasn't.

I don't know and he started like, you know, what are you doing in Alberta, get out of here.

You are a traitor and she quickly moved into the elevator.

50:23

I believe she did have some security with her and the man didn't follow her into the elevator and off she went you know I was raised of a certain etiquette it's not polite, it's rude.

You're going to have to be really really you know in a bad position to have to make citizens say such stuff to you, right?

50:41

Okay.

Fair enough, it happened.

That's what it was and they asked them to leave here.

The building there was no sort of struggle or anything else, okay?

But that was a big enough incident for the prime minister to have to speak out about it, okay?

50:58

So not that I'm a fan but here in Toronto we had the very divisive Rob Ford as mayor, right?

You know, and people would protest in front of his house.

With his children inside with you know, hundreds of people with cameras.

51:13

Everything.

Yeah.

But That isn't something the prime minister is going to talk about, right?

Right.

So what differentiates one incident from the other like you're actually going to the someone will say, well, it's a woman.

He was a Burly, man.

Okay, sure.

I mean, that's kind of like, I do, believe a woman can take care of herself.

51:31

Why would you put her down there?

She's strong.

She's got security around her, she's highly intelligent, and it's daylight in a government office, but okay, you can give that point.

But Rob Ford has his children in his house.

Yeah, that whole going to the Like making like is one thing like II really don't like Trudeau at all but the idea of like harassing somebody when they're with their kids or anything with her family of Koreans.

51:56

Yeah it's like really extraordinarily bad taste.

I didn't like was the wee hours of the morning and there was people like going through his backyard and taking pictures, you know, it's just so yeah.

So for me that is worse than what happened to Chris.

You feeling the Prime Minister spoke about one he didn't speak about the other, well it was Trudeau Prime.

52:15

Mr. When Ford was the mayor though.

Ah.

Very good point.

I'd have to look that up.

Yeah, you know he's been in power since 2015 feels like forever.

I knew.

Yeah, well, hey, and it's right on the cusp of there, but there was no less put.

No prime minister spoke out about.

Yeah and not too many other officials spoke out in defense of the Privacy the mayor of Toronto, right?

52:37

So, I don't like the, I just don't like bias.

I'm always going to call something straight down the middle, right?

Right.

That's all I care about in life.

I don't care about in-group out-group.

Tribal ISM.

You like me?

Don't like me doesn't matter.

There's only one thing that concerns me is being polite and being truthful, right?

52:52

That's it, consistency and consistency.

And of course, will make errors and we'll correct but consistency.

So I don't like that.

And so coming back, you know, I VAR.

Hi VAR L, then coming back to Pure Polly of, have they become a little more like thin-skinned is this this that the level we're at like do week leaders, create weak countries, right?

53:11

Well, I don't you mentioned pure polio Well, you have like he's he doesn't really seem thin skinned Amino and that's what I think is actually very appealing in face of all this sort of like, new way of leadership somewhere in about a year ago, there was a federal election and some Loony Toons through, as I said rocks at the candidate, a Time pew, pew, Justin Trudeau.

53:35

Okay, but if you look at the video and I don't endorse anybody throwing anything at anyone scream, all you want, especially after work not of the private place?

Yeah, private life.

But I actually liked the video.

It was a he was going on to his bus and was gravel and was like a handful of like small Pebbles of gravel, right?

53:52

Something that won't hurt and adults 99.999999 percent of the time that became like, oh there was rocks, throwing love, Fringe elements.

They're like, all of a sudden we've turned into Palestine.

Okay.

Well, imagine what a Palestinian looks like it.

54:08

Really, really you live in one of the freest countries in the world are always upset about throwing pebbles.

Right?

Right.

So that's what I'm going about.

Weak leadership week thin-skinned.

If not that, I'm endorsing that behavior, but bringing it back to Polly of, I think we've where are our Winston Churchill's?

Our Margaret Thatcher's someone that can stand there, take the heat well in debate, you, on the moment without like pre-made, simplified answers to every possible question from some sort of a, you know, a committee that tells you how you're supposed to answer, like, people are craving strong individuals to lead them.

54:44

Yeah, I think.

Yeah, I want to say something about that because it's I think there's something about like there's a tendency these days for everything, everything in terms of speech, and in terms of what you can say.

55:00

To one person, what you can the way you can behave in this and that has become so rigid and so like like stultified that.

It's that it's almost because you're having a conversation with somebody and if it's anything Anyway contentious.

55:16

And the person is like if you're debating them or something like that it's like maybe you know, like you have to watch what you say so much that it becomes more and more unnatural.

So a lot of politicians have kind of adopted this whole kind of like I'll stick to the party line.

55:33

I'll say what I'm supposed to say.

I know this has been vetted, what I have to say has been vetted.

There's nothing offensive in this all I can say this so you get like you see, Trudeau talking and it's infuriating listening to one question period where he just repeats the same things with that kind of As Canadians and like it's just like it's the most horrible oratory but can rhetoric I've ever seen in my life.

55:52

Yeah and you and you think like that there's something so inhuman about that, right.

So I think I know them speaking to you because what he's basing his answers off of his whatever the latest poll was.

Yeah.

And the pole is going to be some sort of mathematical calculation of how the people you're expecting them to want you to respond.

56:07

Yeah.

It's like you've been on hold for an hour on tech support and it's like we're sorry that it took to keep you waiting and it's that thing and it's just like even more irritating That if they hadn't said anything at all.

So I think that that kind of brings about this anger, where it's like, you know, I don't condone like throwing things or anything, but it's like, I think we live in a different time.

56:24

Like, I don't think that Churchill, whatever of inspire that because it was just more natural.

Like, it was like, you know, he was more like, even if you disagreed with him.

It's like, you know what?

You got with him?

It wasn't this like, he was hiding behind.

Some certain you have to ask, why?

The people are that frustrated?

Yeah.

And what actually happened, like that Mary Antoinette complain when the protesters chant.

56:46

Let them eat cake, can you imagine?

Like we've really, I don't know.

We've, we've lost our backbone.

Yeah.

Well, we are a lot more thin-skinned, that's what happens, like, because nobody believes in anything anymore.

57:01

That's true.

Do really believe in what he's saying.

Who knows.

If he did, then he's going to passion in that moment.

Yeah, from the inside out saying, no, no, no, listen, this is what we're doing.

And, uh, let me tell you why, but when he's just dressed rehearse going from one thing, NG to the next.

Yeah, it's probably like being on stage in the lighting, not being, right?

57:18

You just feel off as opposed to listen, I don't lights are no lights, I gotta tell you something, and that's what bring it back to peer Polly of.

He will smoke Justin Trudeau in any debate one-on-one, and I think you're going to see the population of on Canada.

They don't know who peer Polly.

Everly is yet.

57:34

Yeah, I asked lines all time.

Have you not seen him debate over the?

We scandals and everything else?

One-on-one with Pierre, Trudeau or sorry, Pierre Justin Trudeau and be like oh no, I haven't really like they're all over the internet.

Annette I can.

What are you watching?

Like yeah.

Is it just because they don't show those interactions on the CBC because I actually believe in a debate.

57:56

He will be able to peer Polly of articulate his support for the trucker's in a way that people will agree with them.

Yeah, the science is with the trucker's we're living.

What the trucker's us for, right?

We're without masks.

So, you know, where without vaccine, you know, ask somebody that a like, Wow, Mike masks came off March 20th, the vaccine passport, QR Code system stopped, April 1st and people are like oh wow, really?

58:19

I forgot all about that.

Yeah it's easy for you to forget about it when you were Were part of the tribe that did the segregating?

Yeah, the other people haven't and you can have to have a Day of Reckoning.

The ask yourself.

Was that actually Justified?

Yeah.

And when we look at the science and retrospect, which those who were on the outside of the segregation system, knew how you're gonna have to side with what the science showed, which was at the trucker's were right.

58:43

We're there's nothing different from January till now and we're dealing with Omicron, you know, we have vaccines, if anything we were more freshly boosted of Two Shots than we are now.

So I would ask people a time as well.

I'm like so like you know two haircuts ago, we are wearing masks and now you're not what's changed.

58:59

Well I just kind of feel a little better now, I don't know.

It's summer.

So you actually don't have any science behind us.

It's just a feeling, right?

Which goes back to politics to like, how much are people just going to vote on a Feeling?

So the thing up here polio is, I hope he doesn't come off as too.

I can throw stones at Crystal Castles, you know, it's very easy to be the the band.

59:19

Yeah, nobody will know that, but yeah, he was also So, a video game in the 80s?

Yeah.

Oh, was it?

Yeah, Commodore game.

I believe you Crystal Castles.

I think that's where they took the name from.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, really.

Yeah, cool.

Well, this is the music?

Kind of sounds like that.

Yeah, very video game.

59:34

Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, very much.

So yeah.

So so authenticity is going to go a long way.

Yeah.

Yeah, and media Savvy and social media Savvy and he has that.

59:51

So he's just got to go out there and I think if he backs down into the least from his support of the trucker's, people will see weakness and go for the for his juggler ring, right?

You have to sit there and be like, listen, this was the science and he never said, I support blocking critical infrastructure.

1:00:06

There's a there's Nuance into how much you actually support the freedom Convoy.

Yeah it's like you're all in or all out.

Yeah you know and a lot of that will come down to the Emergencies act inquiry that has to be happening.

Now in the fall, whether the federal government was justified in the measures because if it comes out through the inquiry, that they weren't that's going to only support, pure polyols position.

1:00:28

Hmm.

Yeah, I think the conservatives really needed a leader like that is at the very least, I've listened to him speak.

And he sounds like, you know, I like the cut of his jib and everything like that.

But you know who knows what politicians.

I just wish he could do what he says he could do.

That's my thing, me too.

Yeah but I do think that He's a exactly what the concert like conservatives didn't need more of the same.

1:00:50

They didn't need another or no tool or Andrew sheer like just like let's crank out another autonomous conlou Liberal Party basically.

Yeah yeah exactly.

Like you could get somebody who's get somebody to the Canadians.

Have a decision.

You know what I mean?

So they can actually like now we have two people with different ideologies and they'll be able to you know made that may the best man win, you know.

1:01:10

It's like and for me it's not even about winning, it's about it's about legitimizing the conversation and Creating a Consciousness Awakening in the country.

Do you feel in a way that we've already won?

Oh yeah.

There's that indicates a huge shift in mentality and just by him being in Parliament, as the official opposition leader, across from Justin, Trudeau will be a huge check on how much Justin can actually get away with right, because he's going to call him out in Parliament as the leader of the official party and that will have to be played on subsidized, government run me, right?

1:01:45

Like you can't run from that now.

Yeah.

And you're going to look like a fool at every step because there's a shark across the street.

Looking at you and ready to bite, right?

You know?

So I think again, it's all about checks and balances.

And that's what makes our society, one of the best You know, it's not that I'm a, I'm a classic liberal.

1:02:02

I don't like saying are feeling comfortable, putting myself in a rightish wink.

Even O Canada by all metrics.

Is more Central left.

Anyways, so even our right-wing party here, Bobby Democrats in the state's kind of thing, right?

So it is all relative, but I, it's very difficult for me to say, I support a conservative leader.

1:02:22

It's not where I naturally fall at all.

But I have to be straight and call a spade, a spade.

And when something has gone too far, Like I'm seeing coming back to what we sat down to talk about that.

I'm seeing too much like excessive pride and ideological ambition coming from the liberal party, right.

1:02:40

Yeah.

There's no humility.

What?

They did to people over the last two and a half years which science proves was wrong.

Yeah there will never be a point of reflection and point of like an honest point of reflection and and and apology to or even not even an apology, there won't be a point where It's like, you know, maybe we overstepped things.

1:03:03

You know, we were trying to build, that's they open themselves up for like lawsuits.

Yeah.

I mean, so I can only imagine, I mean to be sympathetic and again, balance, I can only imagine what it's like to be a politician to be worried about a lawsuit, coming back on you during a time of a pandemic, that's hard.

Yeah, I don't envy anyone in a position at all.

But here, we are going into fall 2022, surrounding three years.

1:03:24

Almost of this pandemic and virtually everybody.

Despite all mitigation methods has caught.

The virus.

So it's to catch covid is inevitable.

And we have existing science in even like the Canadian of leave whether Ontario pandemic planning guide, that clearly Illustrated, or documented, don't do these measures.

1:03:48

You know, I'm lockdowns and wearing masks, they will not work.

And yet we went against our own recommendations are on historical recommendation.

So that's a Day of Reckoning that you know, like coming In back you're gonna have to show some humility and put aside the pride in ambition.

1:04:06

Yeah but never happens again to the children.

You yeah to the children.

I just said well yeah well you know yeah to anybody on the outside, you know like we talked about like you know the laptop class yet it was the 30 year old.

That was not really a, particularly high risk of anything bad happening.

1:04:24

Through covid had to stay home, but then the 50 56 year old person of to go working on who was at high risk house.

We can Amazon Work Warehouse.

You know how this is going to be spun, right?

Like our your is probably already being spun.

Is this whole like, well it was a new situation.

We didn't know what we're doing.

We were trying to do the make the best safest decision the time.

1:04:42

Like all this, it Isabel it is bullshit because it's like it's like well then you shouldn't have been in charge because other people were making decisions that were different and there is plenty of science.

Like, if you really wanted to like, I understand taking a cautious approach.

I understand like a lot of, a lot of weeks of times in the curve know.

1:04:59

No problem.

I don't think anybody had an issue with the first lockdown.

Yeah.

But by the end of the first lockdown, we saw you through Italy that the overwhelming number of people who were passing away where the elderly.

Hmm.

Fortunately it wasn't hitting the children.

It's one of the reasons why Sweden never locked down the children and they didn't have I don't think they had a single death under 18 and all of Sweden and the school's didn't close for the kids.

1:05:21

Right?

So those kids didn't have unintended, they didn't have interrupted Scholastic.

Yeah, you know, Pathways, you know, they just continued as, you know, and just like now, in Canada fall 2022, you can test positive.

Okay, this is Looney Tunes, you can test positive for don't know if you know this.

1:05:39

Now just came out last week.

As long as you don't have a fever, even if you're testing positive, you can go back to work.

Really.

Yeah, and Sweden has said the whole time if you're sick, stay home, right?

So we're basically doing what the swedes have always said to do.

1:05:57

So, how did one country figure it out and not the rest of the world?

And what did the media say about that country?

Well, they're just a renegade.

All of a sudden, you're wonderful Central and they are Center leftist, government.

They're not actually right wing so I don't follow this Left Right narrative on this at all.

I just follow science.

Yeah.

So so hopefully the tide is turning.

1:06:14

Earned a bit, the curtain has been has revealed the game.

We what it comes down to like digital IDs and freezing bank accounts, you can kind of see the future.

They wish for Humanity and we have a couple of these roguish countries like Sweden that I've shown in Florida that have shown a pathway through this.

1:06:35

That was arguably better.

And now we're getting leadership in countries like, Canada that are asking for more of That response as opposed to a response we had.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is really about putting away your pride.

Like let's, let's look at the data say.

1:06:51

We did right what we did wrong and be very honest with ourselves and move forward, hmm?

I'm glad you brought it back to Pride there and then it's like you circling back calf.

But, you know, it's important, you know, like and this is this is historical stuff, you know, like it's embedded, it's um, you know, it started in the Old Testament and what not these are seven deadly sins are actually, yeah, it was seven, seven, spirits of Deceit in the Old Testament.

1:07:17

Did, you know like that?

So the way we got this um this list was in the 6th Century, the writings of Iris punctus influenced Pope Gregory.

Pope Pope Gregory one to come up with his own list that was later added by st.

1:07:36

Thomas Aquinas, resulting in the modern-day version of the, seven deadly sins.

So singing.

So they've always been there and like, even the Pope's like, damn, this is the, we got to get, we got to get some of this enzyme top.

I gotta write this stuff down somewhere because it's pretty important.

And I believe the actual the origin of the word sin, I believe it actually means to miss the target.

1:07:56

It's like an archery tournament.

Really.

Yeah, that would make sense because of well sign.

Oh, I think I'm asked me.

Yeah.

Like, oh sighing, I don't know.

Yeah, so if you miss the target.

So so the point is coming back to Pride.

There is a Target, and when you miss it, yeah.

1:08:14

That's that's the sin, right?

That's why it's a sin.

So then you got to ask yourself.

You get way.

We've, we become, we become through this.

We come and become aware of our faults, because we understand the fault.

We can understand what is the The opposite and that opposite is the virtue.

1:08:29

Hmm.

Yeah, you conjure up the devil it you conjure out of the devil, a redeemer.

So by identifying these seven deadly sins you can find the Redemption from them, right?

It's fantastic.

1:08:45

It's fantastic psychology.

Whether there's after world or not, doesn't really matter because these have real-world practical applications and how to run a better Society.

Yeah, and a better life for one's self.

So you know another thing that speaking of Pride apparently cometh before the fall it's also I've heard that mean June comes before the season of fall.

1:09:15

Yeah, very clever.

The national pride is, you know, something that is again a bit of a point of contention, these days for a lot of people wear and I think there's something to be He said for it in the sense of, you know, this whole idea that The Closer it is to something you personally accomplished, like the more Pride really, you should be feeling as opposed to, you know, if your American or Canadian, you can be proud of.

1:09:49

Well, you can be proud of whatever you want, but like, that's part of being an American, but it's this idea of being proud of your country is kind of.

Like, I don't know.

I can understand how It's a little bit of ya.

1:10:04

How it's a hard thing to reconcile, because what do you, what do you proud of like a view?

I mean, I guess to some extent.

You're contributing to the country and if your country does something good like the Space Race, For example, when the Americans won that, well, they won the race to the Man in the Moon.

Anyway, I guess I should call apparently.

1:10:20

Yeah, there are doubts.

No, I just thought, you know, the right, the right.

You have to give the Russians credit.

They were like the first side, everything a trial, we just, for sure.

Come from behind Victory.

Well, it was I think it was they just did a massive investment into Masa and everything like that.

It's just an Ingenuity.

1:10:36

It really like them to go back though.

They are there to the Moon while they're going back.

There would be only family cheaper now like technology makes things cheaper over time, right?

So that which you know you see the size of the hard drives of 1960s and now it's like your iPhone is more powerful than any computer.

So wouldn't we have reached the point at this time?

1:10:55

Now, in 2022 that we go there for like the equivalent of 50 bucks.

Sure.

But that's something.

Yeah.

So like they're building that you know they want to put a man on Mars by or person on Mars before 28 in by 2125 it's fantastic.

I just don't then they stopped like another like launched last week or something.

1:11:11

Yeah they had to post because like some gas leak like what gate we're stopping lunches with gas leaks.

We put a man on the moon 50 years ago.

Well you wait, there's a whole testing process that goes along with.

You can't just look Lonnie's.

It's like just listen the Apollo back.

How many?

How many Apollo Rockets got stopped before launching them?

1:11:28

It feels like there's more today.

Well, I think it's just there's more news.

I mean and it's I mean, it's good to be careful, right?

Like you don't want to like you want to be extra extra careful, especially if you're going to be spending.

Sending people up there like in.

You also don't want to shoot a rocket up.

Have a blow of me like okay back to the drawing board is like make sure than Apollo 13.

1:11:43

Were there any that didn't do what they were supposed to do when they were going to the Moon in terms of failed missions?

I don't know.

That's quite the success was the only one days.

Well, if you're talking about well, I'm sure you mean by that because there's a lot of like, in terms of NASA shooting up People.

1:12:00

They haven't, I don't think they've sent anyone.

No, I didn't get a rocket into space, man.

Like, like, like really need, like, well, there was cloud cover, and new only got this o-ring, and a thing fell off.

And we had two shuttles, blow up Liquid, we got to space shuttles blood but not as far as I know, and don't quote me on this like, none of the Apollo Mission rockets blew up while taking off.

1:12:21

Yeah, but they're doing I mean you're adding it's not it's not always going to be the most.

I mean, the Challenger disaster was a, I think.

A bit of an exception in the sense that there was.

Yeah, there was there's still going to be problems, right?

Like but, and the more you do, the more problems but this it was the technology in its infancy.

1:12:38

Then I get really.

If I'm just saying, you got to give those people credit for what they pulled off.

Then limited technology and it baffles me that we seem to be struggling to reach the achievements at a cost.

Effective means 60 years later.

1:12:53

Almost I keep waiting for you to say.

I mean it's not rocket science.

I'm sorry.

It is that's literally what it is.

Yeah, I think that there's a lot of private companies.

Now, I think the, I really like, you got to give props to Elon Musk has, I think he really sort of energized.

The whole industry again was like, wow, this guy is doing it in half the time now.

1:13:10

So let's start and then that's where like nasus like I've never seen a technology stagnate so much.

They went from like, like, how do we do this?

How do we do this week?

And we did it like in a say, a 10-year tenure whatever, Kennedy had promised, you know, a short time frame and we landed on the moon before the end of the decade or whatever it was.

1:13:28

And yet now we're 60 years, 50, 60 years out of there.

And we struggle with, you know, like the athletes.

No but I mean I think you could lie they could land a man on the moon again doing well.

But why like they like it.

They're the right now.

They're going for more.

Like you have too much to do for justification to like we're having a hard time putting like a celebrities in space.

1:13:49

Well, not so long.

That's a long time frame know that.

Well, the commercialization of it is starting to like, there's that competition.

Which is great for the industry because then you have people like Moscow.

This basil is greater, I love it.

Setting the setting things up and there's a lot of little private company, very late.

1:14:09

This is a long time.

Okay.

So how you send a rock.

It's me if I was in charge, maybe I could.

But my look just you, I mean, a kid to play Devil's Advocate.

There's been certain technologies that seem to have stagnated in a commercial use for instance, a Boeing. 747 of the 1960s 70s is pretty much the same type of plane.

1:14:28

We fly today.

And I could to my point that gives like, why aren't we flying to London in three hours with half the gas?

The technology should have progress because nobody wants to pay for a Concord.

Okay.

So why they discontinued it and it's the same thing with the Space Race.

I mean, I agreed, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to my point so I can see I can see that in an everyday thing.

1:14:46

So then applying that logic to NASA, would be the Counterpoint to what I'm trying to say.

Like just nobody bothered with it.

Yeah, I think after the Space Race, well, you even saw a like even like after they landed on the moon like the missions were in that, you know.

Okay, like we're going up again.

Like it wasn't, it just didn't have the same thing.

1:15:03

They did it.

You know what I mean?

So the public what?

Didn't happen, ominously first time, right?

But and I think that's what happened.

And it's unfortunate because I remember when they retire the Apollo program and it was, or if it was the Apollo program or they did, they basically NASA said, I think is like 10 years ago and they were not going to go up into space anymore or something and it was like, oh, well, to me.

1:15:25

I was like, well, isn't that kind of what you do?

But uh, but then then you know, A sex came along and I think that just sort of started energized and I only thought or embarrass them.

Yeah, embarrass them.

Or it's like Hey lil than the even the public was like, yeah.

Like we should be going up in colonizing Mars, you know?

1:15:40

Like and again like I think I really think Elon Musk like, you know, I feel like I've taught talk about memory time but it's like like what like this guy has like he is revolutionizing Industries here and like really almost like, in many ways piggybacking mankind to the next like I'm sure the next Level so strong, individual strong, individual lot of Pride, probably.

1:16:03

Right.

Well in the Name of Love.

All right.

Okay, so yeah.

Anyway, so National national pride, there's a story that really resonates with me this woman, I used to teach English in Korea for a year and there was a woman there and you were out there for eight years, was a year.

1:16:23

Was it was here?

You think you were away for a year?

You're getting us confused?

Yeah, no, no.

I was only a year actually here.

The I don't think I could have done it years.

I mean like I really like Korean food but it was I was homesick after like a year.

Yeah.

1:16:39

So there is this, there was this woman this.

Well, was this whole family in Korea that I taught and there were, they were had a little bit of a sort of an American a pro-american slant to their, to their politics.

And they were very hawkish in the way that they wanted their own government to deal with the North Koreans.

1:16:58

Everything like that is around the time that I think Kim Jong.

I don't know.

It was 2004.

So like, 2003-2004, whatever, though there was a bit of, but there was a lot of feeling in the, in South Korea.

That was anti-American because of a lot of the stuff that Bush was doing sure.

1:17:13

And, but These Guys, these guys were sort of pro-american.

They're like, well, you know, that's why we're happy to have the Americans troops here because, you know, everything that happened the Korean War, and this and that and he was really divisive, George Bush.

I mean, I was living in the states of time.

People didn't want put American flakes up, drink Coca-Cola, Living in Greece at the time brother.

1:17:31

And yeah, even American flags.

Coca-Cola people were just staying away from that stuff.

Yeah.

Like he would say, you know, I mean you can say anything you want to like you know, people don't necessarily like Clinton or Obama and everything like that.

Bush was the worst of them all, like, in my opinion of any of the president's that I know of or have done any kind of reading on, like bushes, the worst with rose bushes, seems like all the little sayings he would say, yeah, get them evildoers.

1:17:52

Oh yeah, he's a moron and I liked it.

And yeah, by Bush, I mean his administration.

Like, it was, it wasn't even just him like I do.

I seems like a simple Them.

But dad seems like a good guy though.

Like relatively speaking, I was like, I was a Democrat.

I was more of a Dukakis man, back in the days already, upset that the first George Bush.

1:18:09

One thousand points of light, wasn't into him at all.

I just felt.

I just felt with those guys.

I felt like they wanted War Well, I felt that with George w-- Bush for sure what kind of.

So the feeling I got that with the feeling of the first one and we got to work them to.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

1:18:24

I but you should like I've done a little bit of reading on him so it's kind of like, I guess maybe some of it and who knows how much it all is.

I mean, it was the director of the CIA, right?

So it's like, there's, you know, is how much is, you know, I'm just kind of getting to the whitewash version problem, and I want to come back to this in a minute or two like all the finish, your Korea story.

1:18:42

But I'm the problem with these people is that, as they Come like United States doesn't have any kind of monarchy but they so what they do is they elevate these people almost like the kings and queens of right increasing get dynasties but we'll come back to that in a second.

You know, I agree.

I agree.

Yeah, so, so anyway, this family in Korea was talking to them and the, the wife was saying that she had taught in America are.

1:19:04

Sorry, she went to school in America for two for two years or something.

And there was a point where she was at some celebration.

I think it was like the Fourth of July or some celebration like that where she was really Struck and profoundly.

So, with when the national anthem was played, how much pride the people seem to have in and like, they took their hats off, they were very respectful, you know, some were singing and, but they're all standing still and like it was a very, and she felt it was just very emotional, it was very leases, the land of the individuals, yet, they're showing a collective attribute.

1:19:35

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you try, don't know where that line is drawn from one country, one culture to the next.

Yeah, that's that's quite a nice moment to thank away in your memory there.

Yeah.

Yeah, I thought so, and I have to say, like, you know, whenever I'm like, going to those baseball games last weekend, it was like, you know, listening to the American Anthem, like, it really is like beautiful.

1:19:57

Like, it's the whole feeling like the Russian.

Yeah.

I like the Russian and it's a very good.

Yeah, I just have, like, not what they stand for, in a sense, but yeah, but I know there's some good anthems out there, like, unfortunately Canada's isn't one of the better ones but I mean, it is what it is.

1:20:14

It's very good.

Good health care.

Very condensed, very Maple syrupy.

Yeah, yeah, you know what, you know, in many ways it's not like I, you know, proud to be a, you know, I am I proud to be a Canadian.

I'm not necessarily proud, but I'm not happy.

Like I just in the sense that I seem silly for me to be proud that I was born here.

1:20:30

You know, you didn't see my father did but in for that he's very proud of it.

He couldn't have picked a better country in his opinion.

But could you say part of the national character of Canada?

Is that we've actually conquered the sin of pride pride and a sense because we've actually learned to temper how much pride we feel even in our own country maybe?

1:20:52

Yeah, I think that we're a very I think we are to some extent of humble people.

I like that contrast that we have with Americans and I love Americans.

Like, I think the American people are such warm people to that point.

Our, our Anthem doesn't talk about the guns in the blaring and you know, it's much more subdued, you know?

1:21:08

Well, even our it's not life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It's like what is it?

Peace something and good government and so inclined.

Whoa, real inspiring.

But it's, you know, it's but it is what it is.

Like, I like being Canadian, you know what I mean?

II don't know.

I'm not necessarily what I die for my country, I don't think so.

1:21:26

Like what I do, what I dive matter, what?

I die for certain ideals, maybe what I die for my family, probably.

But would you die for your neighbor that you'll never know their name?

No.

Okay, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let a professional.

1:21:41

I wouldn't go to I wouldn't I wouldn't, I would never so like, I like to think of the fact that, you know, for the Nazis what I have fought against the Nazis.

Like, you know, if I was if the ever because it's like, if ever you're going to join the Army, If Ever, I was going to join the Army would have to be something like that.

1:21:56

I would have to be like, okay, it's like it were basically versus evil at this point.

So it's like okay like you know, if it's like, you know, the an alien invasion like something like that.

Okay, I'll go I'll fight for that.

I'll fight for the human race but I'm not going to go.

Go and like oh wait wouldn't you?

1:22:12

So I would die for any unknown person if that person was part let's say in this sense kinnock in Canada but doesn't have to be it's definitely not exclusively Canada, if buy them staying alive, kept the ideals of which I found more valuable alive.

1:22:31

So I would die for freedom.

I would die for democracy.

Would you die for PRP?

I'll pull over Polly of if he represented those and momentum.

Absolutely.

No doubt about it because it's the idea that has to remain not my body.

Yeah.

1:22:47

But there's nothing to say that that idea either kind of makes me think of like you know times in well actually you know you could think of a Nazi Nazi Germany where it's like you can still the Jewish people like trying to keep their He alive.

Do you live to fight another day?

1:23:02

Or do you try to fight you or do you basically, you know, you you challenge something or you challenge like you know you say like oh no I'm not going to be I'm not going to collaborate with you and it's like okay well then you're going to die.

Like there's no there's no immediate ball.

Each case is little bit different, but the point is if that person died but it kept the culture going and some other way than, that's a valuable loss.

1:23:24

Your net positive.

Yeah.

And I've lost, I guess I don't have that kind of, I wouldn't do that II.

Would collaborate Why but of but you know, you work under like I mean, I just know that I don't know if I necessarily collaborate and I don't think anyone really knows what they were doing under that position.

1:23:40

It's very case-specific.

Yeah I just know that I would be very hard-pressed to it.

Maybe it's just now in my life because I'm older and I'm not like you know I'm a little wiser to the machinations of government and stuff like that.

Like if the government was like, we're going to go to war with, you know, Argentina because those are islands or whatever.

1:24:00

I think I'd be like, Well no, I'm not going to go in that war like I'm not going to fight.

I am, you know.

Yeah.

You know for sure you could argue though that you've already lived so much of your life that you don't have as much to lose, you know.

So therefore you know the equation changes a bit but yeah, I Wouldn't Die for innocence politics, I would die for ideals and I know those ideals can still be usurped by politics in the future but I can't worry about that.

1:24:25

Inevitably like it's not going to be you know anything could change in the future, right?

I just made me think.

World War One documentary that I'm kind of watched and it's just remember this one quote from, you know, so like there was times where the Germans and the English would just be across each other in the trenches and if there was no commanders around, they just wouldn't even shoot because they're like, who wants a dime?

1:24:49

Yeah, they're like, well they they would be, they be saying, well, you know that, I want to treat them.

Like, if I shoot them they're going to shoot back at me and all this kind of stuff because that's what trench warfare basically got down to.

But then there is this one.

Time where this kind of Colonel came in and we're Sergeant or something, but it was saying like talking to the Troops and one guy was like yeah there's this one German over there with gray hair.

1:25:10

He'll pop up every once in a while and walk around and the commander is like well.

So do you shoot on him?

He's like and I'll say in British accent, I could gold.

What has he ever done to me?

And I saw there's this idea of this like just softness and in the in the ranks, but it's like, it's true.

1:25:26

It's like why are they like?

They're like, I don't know why I'm sitting here in this trench for year after year, but like, I don't Will like, why would I kill this guy, who's just in the same situation?

I think, at that point.

You've also you've also understood the sovereignty of the individual and you see a man just like, smoking a cigar and enjoying himself and yeah, he's just a man.

1:25:43

Yeah.

And you did you disassociate then from the ideals which brought you to the battlefield to begin with, right?

And that's probably fantastic in the short term.

Yeah, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

But in the long term.

Yeah.

That man smoking discard, think certain people of a certain race need to be annihilated.

Well, you know, it may not be his individual.

1:26:01

Thoughts.

But that's the side.

He's fighting for well World War One.

It wasn't even that true.

True.

True true.

I forgot.

Yeah.

But but the but I you know, they would even play soccer with each other.

I remember this Crazy Beautiful Stories.

Yeah, a nice, I don't like that.

I don't Yap.

I know where do I want anyone to think?

1:26:17

I endorse any kind of violence or War at all.

You just, it's an inevitable.

I would have picked them off so quickly Serena.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I know.

But it's just There's there are there are psycho moments that require a certain amount of just you're just going to jump into The Fray and it's just needed.

1:26:38

But you hope those are like once in a every 500-year moments for Humanity.

Yeah, I think maybe we've met but we've grown past that, finally know.

Yeah, I don't know you Heroes through technology.

Meaning that like if You Dropped a Bomb, it's all over.

So no one no one.

1:26:54

We're going to go into different types of proxy wars, like, you know, stock markets and capitalism, and digital IDs and green.

Agenda is like, there's just, those are those maybe weapons?

We haven't even truly understood yet.

Hmm.

You know, cavemen wouldn't know what to do with a, with a Gatling gun, right?

1:27:12

But these may be the new weapons of the new Wars.

We haven't even understood the way.

The weapons actually worked, right?

I was thinking of the the Japanese the zero pilots who were like a Kamikaze like talk about Pride like I mean so you'll those people were willing to die for their country like you know no questions asked on a thing and it's that kind of that.

1:27:37

Japanese pride is something so beautiful about that like in a way right?

Like I mean here it's pure and it's actually in a weird way very individual because like they're called zero and they're on their own an airplane, doing it on them.

There.

Yeah, yeah.

The last couple breaths, they're having all onto their selves.

Yeah, it feels like a very individual based decision.

1:27:56

Although, of course, it's not because it comes from a culture and yeah, Collective and everything else.

But yeah, there's a, there's a duality and it's, it is beautiful.

And it's in its silence.

I feel like it's a very silent moment.

Yeah, I guess.

Yeah.

Figuratively speaking.

1:28:13

There's a yeah, there's effective Beauty to it.

So you know, the speaking of nationalism, the queen passed away.

Sadly the yes.

Yes.

What were your thoughts on that sad?

I are you know like I think so many like she was just been around for so long like I'm an end like so many it's not like a monarchy you know?

1:28:34

Like it's not like I think that the monarchy was a great idea or anything.

I just you know she's been around forever.

I think that you know, she always Of even remind me of my grandmother a little and my nana I guess was too different.

Did you cry mother hug you a lot?

1:28:51

I heard the queen wasn't a hugger.

Hmm.

Yeah no I mean I think probably a regular amount okay but yeah I was it was more just the facial features and gold.

No no the facial.

Every time you picked up a two dollar bill I got to visit Nana but yeah, I know it's just kind of sad I think I think I think a lot of people sort of feel the same way, like I think it's a lot of like she's just been around my whole life.

1:29:17

I don't know any other Queen, you know?

Like so what are ya, how about you?

You know, it's interesting.

I when I think about myself when I was younger and you don't have to go too far back 25 years ago, Princess Diana.

You know, died in the car, crash in the tunnel and even then, you know, I was very angry at the queen and felt like the certainly weren't as emotional.

1:29:42

Is emotionally attached to the event and then you can do the conspiracy theories and you just wonder like I do.

I went down in like just so mean, thank God.

There was no internet then because I didn't really bother then he sort of just things that were echoing around my head, but I wasn't a fan of the monarchy like, come on.

You're telling me like your chosen by God to be on earth and therefore, you must be in your, you know, kind of usurps the whole Pope thing in the closest person to God, is your king and that's why it's through Divine Providence that they can rule.

1:30:09

And what did I already have?

Jeanette's got enough problems.

I don't need another one, right?

And that's the sort of seemed like a relic of the you know centuries gone by however in the last 25 years watching democracy Buckle a lot and become very divisive through, probably mechanisms like the internet where it's creating more Echo Chambers through, algorithms, that kind of feed you to more extremist positions.

1:30:38

Having having a queen Is like a really good like layer of governance.

Even if symbolic that doesn't show it's left or right Tendencies and can become the such a unifying part of your culture.

1:30:56

Hmm.

And that is something that we are.

I would say in the states is missing.

Yeah, that's probably a white human nature really requires that and so the Brits kind of have it, right?

Because they realized that that by having her there The never going to look at Boris Johnson going well.

1:31:13

He's the first family over the UK and I guess they do in the states so because they don't have a monarchy in the states.

They will always say this is the first lady in the first family, right?

And then their kids become presidents and it becomes like a dynasty.

Like what?

So, you know, in the state's you have the three branches of government, you have legislative judicial and executive and I would argue in the UK, they have the fourth layer, which would be symbolic and it kind of sits on top of all of them.

1:31:40

And This sort of unifying umbrella for all that to operate under.

Yeah.

And it probably I would say creates a lot of national stability.

Yeah.

And democracy can fail and it's kind of good to have a back-up plan, whether they're qualified or not is on an individual basis, but as an organization, you know, how much of British culture is defined by the virtues that the monarchy try to portray hmm.

1:32:08

And if you didn't have those virtues because Being portrayed by them with a then slip into a regression of sorts where everything is permissible kind of thing.

Yeah, I don't want to sound too Puritan about it because that's the kind of monarchy.

I don't like where they would take the relatives that had mental illness and like shuffle them off with some sort of place that they all know our where are infallible in our genes.

1:32:30

Like, that's just so old school.

Yeah, don't appreciate that at all, but I can understand, but let's be honest, even that sort of thing is what regular families did even 50 to 100 Ago.

We don't have anybody of mental illness in our family and they shuffle them off to the Village.

So it was kind of a reflection of the times to a large degree as well amongst everybody.

1:32:48

Yeah.

They're kind of like an echo of what we needed to see.

So, I do now, see a lot of value and the moral not Pride.

I wouldn't say I would be proud to have a queen but I be, I would say the virtues she embodies is something we should try to inspire to Aspire to yeah.

1:33:08

And and through that.

Ation of those virtues.

We can sit back and say I'm proud of the results but not just blind Pride.

There's something to be said for tradition and I listen to well this is a while ago was.

Stephen Fry actually made a good sort of defense of the monarchy love them.

1:33:27

Yeah.

Because like and it's something I've never really like I've always been, you know, I just think of like you know The Queen Is Dead and everything like nice.

Like it's too soon I guess.

But like but you know, I never really.

Yeah.

I was just never like I Like I never, I never thought it was.

1:33:42

I always thought like that just seems like a stupid system there.

Why do they have all this money?

Like it doesn't make sense, blah blah blah and they live off the taxpayer.

Which by the way, apparently they are net positive and they bring more Revenue than they cost because of the tourism or whatever.

Whatever me.

Yeah, sorts of little, teacups of log at something like that.

So there's apparently like mathematical models that show.

1:33:58

They're actually a net benefit economically to the country.

So call that a wash, you know, fifth whatever, you know, maybe.

But I but like, yeah.

I think recently probably like the I would say as I've gone.

An older.

I've just really starting to understand the value of tradition.

1:34:14

Like it's one of the things that upsets me, going back to the baseball again.

It's like I used to really like baseball, the statistics like the game like everything about it was like just wholesome good in my mind and as it's gotten, you know, as I see sort of like almost the corporate the corporate side of that, you know, like all these Corporation the field is always like some like Tropicana Field or whatever it's like he like I but there's Nothing about just the game and like the tradition that is like, you want to keep alive and some of the same with the queen and the monarchy.

1:34:46

It's like, I think that there is I think what you said is like, right.

I think that there is like they represent another layer of government where it's like, you know, and I think you need that.

I think that the, I think that I think we need it in the same way that we almost need like religion or something like that.

1:35:01

Yeah, it was forces.

If there was no reason.

If there if there was no monarchy, they would be a reason to have to create one.

That's our psychological profile.

Just like it.

Just, if there was no religions whether there's I would I truly believe this, they would be a reason there's an underlying psychological reason why we would need to create one, right?

1:35:22

And you do see religions new ones.

You could say the vaccine or Digital Science has become a new religion of sorts as people move on, from atheism, plus looking for, like, the moral, not just that I'm atheistic Tendencies anymore or Society, but then we have to actually add to the morality into that sort of thing.

1:35:39

You just becomes a new religion on to it.

Selfridges recreating the same mechanisms over and over again with different names.

So, to that degree, I agree with you.

The monarchy is something we probably need something that unifies us.

I mean, that's why we have a national anthem.

We have a flag, these are things that superseded left and right.

1:35:55

You would like to think, you know, with the exception of antifa that in the state's everybody to the left and to the right are equally proud of their flag, right?

Right.

You can obviously critique it, you know.

But there's a certain or end of the queen represents that sort of symbolism.

Yeah.

In a human.

Warm.

Yeah you can meet and greet and talk to right.

1:36:14

Yeah.

So you would like the thing from them, you have the they have the moral Authority and also the historical relevance and as I'm I've heard before said I want to live in a world where the liberal values are so good that I get to be a conservative, right?

1:36:34

Right.

And so, I think that's where the conservatism of the monarchy in a sense plays in where they try to embody those.

Has morals to such a high degree that you can actually be both liberal and conservative simultaneously so that degree.

I don't know if you ever saw this quote by Stephen Fry, he was talking about woke culture and weaving it into movies and being a gay man for many years because my sweat 75 years of age.

1:36:57

Now and he's definitely live through it all doesn't like woke culture and I believe this was a real interaction with the queen when she had to sign off on something allowing gay marriage.

Judge and the interaction where he portrays, it is like she's signing off on the, yes, we now will allow gay marriage in the UK and actually finishes and puts a pen down.

1:37:20

She just like huh.

Quite remarkable, isn't it?

Yeah, it's as simple as that.

Like it wasn't like they had.

This gilded happened organically over a period of time.

No crazy revolutions.

You didn't have to like, stick it in people's faces to the point that even the most conservative them of them, all the queen just signs off on it and with her own lifetime, went from being something that you could even speak about, you know, World War Two Times.

1:37:45

Yeah.

To now saying, you can actually not only be it you can be and get married and I'm signing off on it and it's fantastic.

I love the organic and so that's where that overarching reign of a culture that organically moves through time together that it just becomes the teeter-totter Swayze in a certain way and nobody feels like they're getting thrown off in a jolt.

1:38:06

Yeah.

Right.

It's that presence that nice balance you're taking the weights off the Teeter, Totter slowly and a gently reaches the other side.

Whereas today, we're looking for like his of moral virtue.

Like we need to change this and we need to change that and we have to let you know quickly, you know Ray Rectify.

1:38:21

And as a school looks on the inside, such should be all our corporations immediately because otherwise it's systemic and this and that it takes time.

And I think the queen represents like that passage of time, especially when it's a one-person ruling is a you call it ruling or yeah.

Positioning for 70 years.

1:38:39

She's, you know, 70 years isn't America. 210 years old.

So her rule is 1/3 of a US history.

I'm just trying to do the math.

I believe I did read somewhere.

She has been Queen for one-third of United States, entire history.

1:38:56

That's pretty neat.

So there's that that constant you looking for, hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, consistency and and binding a like a binding Force as well and even though she embodies something that's traditional like you were saying and in a sense conservative her.

1:39:15

You points changed gradually in conjunction, mirroring society as opposed to trying to do Paul Society along through the latest Trend.

You know.

It was it just it seems like the right Tempo.

Yeah.

For a society to stick together and also move forward together.

1:39:32

Yeah.

So I would never say I'm proud of the queen.

I'd be.

She has virtues that she exhibits that I wish to try to embody myself.

Yeah.

And through that we become more again.

I struggle these were proud but more, you know, happy content with the good life that it will lead to, right?

1:39:53

So yeah, it's interesting to, you know, talking about this stuff and these human attributes in general.

It's interesting examining what constitutes humans and how intrinsic some of these things feel.

1:40:09

Like it's almost like we want an excuse to be proud of something.

And like, you know, I Humanity actually does have a lot collectively to be proud of, in the sense that we've come a long way.

And we've, you know, we're still alive.

1:40:25

We made a lot of mistakes and there's a lot of bad things in the world.

But, you know, you think of like, I always say, Of like the game civilization and like just when you think of all the technology upgrades or was something like you've discovered Agriculture and it's like, you've discovered the wheel and then came up they never come with like and by discovering such a thing you've ruined the environment.

1:40:46

All right.

Well they do.

They actually do it for environmental damage and some yeah, pollution.

Yeah, is traditionally that would have not been part of the game or even the way we think in the west.

Right?

Right.

Well it to is reflecting.

Yeah, it's admire to reflects the okay.

1:41:03

So, but there's a lot of, I mean, you know, one of the things that really sticks out, I just quickly go on about this.

Like, isn't it incredible?

This is always amazed me as a kid was like, where radio waves comes from, you know, like we're like how it's like I couldn't believe anybody would there was a point in my life where I just couldn't believe anybody was talking about anything other than the fact that we had these boxes where it's like, well, how does this happen through the air?

1:41:26

Like how do you like, I don't get it?

Like how does it like?

I don't see anything.

And I mean, as a child, this Time.

But it was but the idea that we as a people as a species like I'm we were knocking all the other species out of the park in terms of like technological advancements.

1:41:42

I mean like you see like you know, monkeys going like Lego.

We figured out about this like you know this hammer or whatever.

I mean use a tool and it's like yeah we just created the internet or yeah we just created like supersonic flight and like the electromagnetic spectrum like identifying what that is and like like all these great theories in physics.

1:42:02

Came out in like the 20s and like, you know, Einstein series and like, you know, the ability that were harnessing, like, electromagnetic waves and making use of them for like, radio and television, like, it's just spectacular what were able to do and, or bringing you back to the devil.

1:42:22

One second, I'm going to call you out, on this.

Okay, let's see here.

Let's even give my thoughts.

These are all scientific technological upgrades that have allowed us to live a more convenient.

Tiant and safe life.

Let's say Okay among other things but yeah, sure.

1:42:39

But isn't that kind of what, you know, they're, they're external in a sense.

Have we have, we have, we grow into the same degree, like through our spiritual.

Spectrum, you know, like a like I feel like we've we have certainly last 100 years achieved all those things and it's made for this podcast to be available and everything.

1:43:02

But I wonder sometimes if we've done so much focus on that that we're not and maybe it's just because it's the new hot thing and just Humanities like oh my God, I can't believe we can do these things but I feel like there's going to be a moment where we where we tap out on the relevance of that and realize we've kind of not, we've neglected knowing thyself.

1:43:23

Psychologically morally.

Physically internally.

It'll like Lucifer like anyone's a double.

The Lusa is like derivative of the word light so you got like it's nothing wrong with the like.

So which one's the like God is the light or the devil the light I think the name is so well played.

1:43:41

I think I like the false light so I even know.

I'm very careful sometimes because I can see like, obviously the false light must be something very attractive.

Otherwise, who would follow it, right?

Right.

But just like the universe is infinite like will there ever be a point to science that simply you're going down a rabbit hole that will never actually achieve that which will make for a better species in the end.

1:44:07

It's like a fixed game like hahaha, we've opened up Pandora's Box now.

Yeah, I think that there's something.

I know you you're saying, and I agree with it to some extent, like I do think that we need to not forget the spiritual side.

I think that there's something aside from just the technological advances.

1:44:26

That, for example, extend life to the amount that we're able to, you know, have these contemplations.

And you know, think about that.

Like there is also sort of a weaving in of spirituality.

Like when I think of quantum physics, I think of it almost spiritually.

1:44:41

I think of like, you know, the electromagnetic spectrum, like all these things I was watching for the first time ever Fiddler on the Roof last night of all things, and it was It was funny that it's like, you're looking at this fairly primitive culture.

1:44:57

Like it was, it was, I guess was to be in and I've only seen the first half of it.

So now I only watch the rest was a three-hour movie, so but there was a and three hour movie, a musical, the not really my choice to watch.

So I'm kind of like watched it.

1:45:13

It was I get that like, people like it and like it's just not my kind of movie necessarily but it was whatever the case it was for both musicals to.

Yeah, it was good for what it was or it is good for so far like but it's But it was interesting that is this like you know there's I think is supposed to be like pre-World War 1 Russia or something like that and they're Jews.

So they're all inside sort of their own community and a lot of them are spending time like, you know, kind of eking out a living and like, you know, but very spiritual hand and happy people like, you know, a lot of song, lot of like family time.

1:45:42

And, you know, I was talking to my girlfriend about this and I was like, well, you know, talking about the benefits of like, basically what we're talking about, where it's like, okay, like you like me Maybe that was a happier time.

Maybe people were just happier because you had this, like you, there was a scene and at where, what makes for a better life?

1:46:01

Hmm.

Yeah.

There's a scene in a where somebody comes up and I can't remember their names.

My girlfriend knows them off by other.

She's, you know, a lot, I think but they this guy comes up and he's like, well don't you want to know the news of the outside world?

Like there's stuff going on out there because they're like, you know, I guess rounding up Jews or whatever.

1:46:19

And it was like the Soviet Not Soviet Pop, I think is pre-soviet because we're talking about this.

Our but anyway they're having paw G and everything like that.

And it was like I was like I don't want to know about the outside users, all kinds of stuff going on out there and they were like, no like why would I want to know about the outside news like this is my world here.

1:46:37

Kind of look too insular, a little too insular, but I don't know.

There's something I can see the I can see the appeal of that kind of simple life.

Yeah.

The Mennonites the Amish?

Yeah, yeah, I think there's something kind of, you know, we at the end of that.

1:46:52

Are we built for the end of the day?

We all die.

At the end of the day, we all like at the end of the day, nothing matters other than other than your spirit, like how you feel, you know, with your, with who you are as a person, your relationship with God and your relationship with your family and like, how you've affected others or when she say.

1:47:10

Then going back to the seven deadly sins, that they kind of all point in the direction to like wanting to achieve something at the expense that is probably too great.

It's real achievement bound, right?

You know except for like I'm like maybe like Sia well, maybe that's when you've achieved everything Chris laughs but um you know, I it's why I temper because there's something like you said to something it's not just romantic there's something healthy about that type of Lifestyle mentally, physically.

1:47:41

And, yes, I know we talked about this last time about extending life and whatnot.

But like, do you know anybody alive today that is alive because of Medical Science.

Interjecting in their life so far.

Well, I think the we all are though.

Like I think we are all because well, look at look at Refrigeration, right?

1:47:58

Okay, like are no, I meant like more.

Like those are like sorry.

Let me categorize.

It, those are basic needs.

Sort of more on the simple side of things, you know, like a roof shelter, salting of meat so you can have food through the winter, like yes, there's always those are all technological jumps.

1:48:15

But how far do you need to take it in order to say the returns aren't worth the The efforts so much like, you know, like so many children died in childbirth and mothers to.

But once you factor out the 0 to 5 and you average it out, I don't know.

You know, like well I realize you have, once you have basic needs taken care of, you're probably going to get up to like 75 to 85 and modern science isn't doing much to you beyond that.

1:48:41

Well, it's extending the average though and the average over large cohort of people like matters, you know, is it the I mean life expectancy used to be?

Yeah, I mean I don't know.

I don't know how many how much that factors in like shot is still birds or whatever, but like used to be significantly lower.

1:48:59

Yeah so I totally am behind all the signs but that but like for to Amish and Mennonite people in North America live less years than then if the regular American and Canadian people.

No I mean I don't know.

But I don't think there's there's probably not that much of a discrepancy.

1:49:17

Otherwise I would imagine we would have heard about it but at the same time I would also say Like maybe when push comes to shove, they'll be like, all right.

I'll go see a doctor, like, you know what I mean?

Oh, for sure, for sure.

But just like, it's just, it's I think this is really hard for a medicine to make a healthy person more healthy.

1:49:33

So the point is to try to just stay healthy by a good life.

It was a simple life.

Yeah.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, whatever I saw or the other way around.

Well but I don't know.

Like it, like just even thinking like, I don't know, for example, like, we're all so I guess you could say because I was just thinking like, well, What about smoking?

1:49:51

What about like you just the fact that we even know that that causes cancer.

Like it requires some amount of like study that goes into that, figure that out.

So, you know, not to smoke but but at the same time, you go, I guess you could argue.

Well, we wouldn't even have smoking after.

We had that simpler life or whatever.

So I guess, okay.

Like you know, Checkmate I guess.

1:50:08

But I don't know.

We sort of create problems and then we solve them.

But I think we're also, there's a progress to what Like I guess it's like Pride to me.

I just want to put so much reverence on the science like pride is good to a point science is good to a point we eat it but I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket.

1:50:29

Right.

Like I don't want to end up like look like Lucifer.

Like I I do think that this I do think it's really important.

I think it's more important to have be happy in your spiritual life.

I really do like you going back to like Ai and the, you know, I'm putting, if you can create a more Efficient and convenient life to the point.

1:50:49

You know, why have a digital ID on your telephone?

We can have a chip and then let's have transhumanism and on and on and on like I don't think that's going to create a happier life, even though it's got technological advancement.

What you would live longer probably though?

1:51:06

By what?

Well, if you're starting to replace Parts, like organs that fail with others may be like, I don't know, I'm just thinking of like pseudo biological organized, have a funny feeling.

It's going to be much harder than were sold your jeans.

Are you just going to like, say, yeah, we're done.

1:51:21

Like, there's a certain like, right.

I forget that my, the, the technical word for it, but when they just sort of like they go into their death sequence at a certain age and that's it and just kill switch.

Yeah, it's we realize, there's something like that.

Where the mitochondria are.

Like, I don't know, they don't replicate to the same thing.

1:51:37

You literally he's not just simple as I need a new liver.

I need to do this.

It's it's it's it's a whole system shutdown.

I don't know or maybe it's just that.

That seems He's like it to us now because we don't have things that can like if you have something if you can have it was like I said what would be the point person?

1:51:53

Well, that's maybe, that's the thing we're doing through the live longer and what's the point of that weíll?

See.

I mean, then you have like look, it's put it in this kind of way.

If you only live to be 20, think of all the experiences you wouldn't have I-20.

Haven't you haven't gotten grave, yet?

You haven't had children yet, you haven't gotten married yet you know.

1:52:10

Okay it stopped working yet so you lived but there's an arc.

I mean like once a story completes itself and you hit like Say 75. 85.

Like the whole story about marrying fall in love.

Create a family, raise your children, see your children have children, the are kind of just, I don't see the point of extending beyond that well, but that's not have any desire to go pass out and I don't want to die, like I want, you know, I in Greek culture, we always say when you get your have a birthday, make it 100 does like it's a pretty high number for an old culture.

1:52:40

Yeah, yeah.

Like, there's no just know, like, let's go on the low side, right?

I just don't see, like, if I hit, if I hit Torrid relatively healthy and then the body just stops or if I hit 170 or my going to meet somebody like where were you the first hundred thirty years of my life darling you know, maybe know, like they're really begin.

1:52:58

No but I mean, you know we're Bound by what we know.

Right.

So like nobody, I'm sure after the first Star Wars movie like that seem to end in a pretty good Arc is like well, everything was sort of wrapped up they won and then you got Empire and you're like oh this is even better, you know what I mean like there but I think there's something That like we're doing.

1:53:17

We just know what we know, right?

We don't necessarily know how good it could be or what the other stories could be told.

And, you know, and also like let's say you do meet that love of your life at 1:30 when you're technically a grandfather several times over now at this point but you're not going to be having kids with that person most likely most likely.

1:53:35

So then like that that person you fall in love with that starts that family really can.

Only occupy one place holder of time in your life.

Ed, he's 100 years older than his wife.

He imagined the first guy that Is like 100 years old or whatever feminist gonna say, well, that's something to be proud about.

1:53:52

Yeah, yeah.

It's it's I, I don't know.

I think there's something philosophical that.

We haven't, we haven't set that out at all.

I didn't come in prepared to think about that today, but there's certain place holders and life the once they're past their past.

And whether you extend your life or not the ones, those moments are gone.

1:54:08

They're gone.

So enjoy your life.

Now, that's why I'm going to add swear.

I that's where I sit currently.

Was it you or something?

I was listening to that.

It's The way a good way to think about a good a good year span to think about how to live life is 5 years.

1:54:23

That's the good.

That's the ideal one.

You don't want to shore because then you're going to be Reckless like you want to say like well I'm only going to live for another one year because then it's like you're going to be too Reckless.

You want to say 30 years because you're going to be to get that diagnosis of a terminal illness.

Sort of thing, you know, you're gonna die in five years, that's kind of the right and apparently well there's a park, there is a balanced RQ, right?

1:54:42

Because 30 means basically don't tell me because it's just like whatever based on our lifespan today, right?

And ones like then you just go nuts.

Yeah yeah.

So maybe five is good.

I it's like live live as though you have five years remaining kind of thing, but I would say that's probably a good motto to live by because you don't want to waste your life and you who knows what the future is going to hold.

1:55:00

But at the same time, some planning is required.

Some planning is required and like, can't, we can't we, as a society hope for more and try to go more, I would like to live to be 100 and I'd like to live to be 200 like to meet them first 200 year old that's up.

That would be cool.

But you know, and as long as I'm not like just Hooked up in my, he's just my brain in a jar somewhere.

1:55:19

Like, like, you know, but if I can have the experiences, or if I'm in that, and I'm living in the meta verse, maybe that's another option gets a little Palpatine again, episode 9 a little bit, but, you know, I don't know.

It's like eternity is a long time and I can take another 100 years of life, kind of thing.

1:55:35

So, you know, this is a thing too.

If you think about it in terms of like this seems like a lot of years to us, but it's absolutely nothing compared to the universe.

Yeah, yeah.

So inevitably Like is like what is the universe going to benefit from this?

Hmm, you know like what's better just you on a personal level in your mind?

1:55:53

It's it's such a fraction of a fraction of a fraction.

Like it means nothing in the grand scheme of 4 billion years of existence, right?

Well to the universe.

But I mean just thinking over his what makes you think that like 120 years really is quantifiably less than 180 in the grand scheme of in the grand scheme of things?

1:56:10

Yeah, you're right.

But you know it's on my point is we never quite know if we'll get to this magical number.

We're talking about so live there, like what you said, live in five years segments, but really live.

Hmm, because it's the feelings.

You're going to feel in a duration of time and how potent they were and the things you experience or discover rather than the duration of time it took you to actually do it.

1:56:29

Yeah, yeah.

Hmm.

Interesting, I do feel just for the record, I do feel like life is probably an illusion anyway like I think there were probably there's some other plane, so it's just it's just that it's kind of like if you're playing a game like even though, you know, there's like going to be a sequel to the game.

1:56:45

If you want to, you can still want the game to last longer like it's fun playing the game.

So it's like but I but I think that I don't know.

Some some video games are so so tired in the connect Youth and Nation now Powers.

I can't get that.

Damn last villager?

1:57:05

Yeah, okay, well I don't know.

Is there anything else on this topic?

You want to?

You want to know?

Just pride is this one of the ones that sounds superficially like such a great thing to have?

You know, it's really again so it doesn't Mission by like it in terms of the seven deadly sins, I could just really sounds like be proud about the way you look.

1:57:28

Be proud away, your way.

You dress be proud.

The way you are your reputation you know?

Yeah and I think it's such a it's a it's like a weird mirror image of something you really have to go in the opposite direction.

Like a, what is the virtues that you were doing?

That allowed you to be proud about is where you need to be focusing your attention on not just Pride on like, blind Pride.

1:57:48

Yeah, so, yeah, for sure, I think a lot of people don't see that, particularly the, in the age of social media and just like, everything is so shallow, like, you look great.

Okay.

That's so I want to look great.

Yes.

But how did they do it?

Well, it was discipline eating good.

Researching your what kind of food you need to eat?

1:58:05

Those are the attributes.

We need to be focusing on, not just the end result.

Yeah, actually that's a good point and I wanted to say so like, you know, should you be proud of like if you go to a gym you'll see a lot of people are going to some of the more I guess like busier Places.

1:58:20

You'll see a lot of people kind of strutting around like showing off their biceps and everything is like looking, like you said, like yeah, the discipline and everything required to get there is, you know, that's something to be proud of.

I think there's a little something to, you know, it sort of depends on, you know.

1:58:36

I don't love that whole bro culture thing, but like, I think that it's, I do think that there's, you know, you should be Out of like if you look good you be proud of it.

Like if it's a if it's something you've worked for me but yeah but it's the it's the again I just for me just my brains program I got to the underlying attributes like so that's this is a person that and then all the good things that they had to do in order to get to that point, right?

1:58:57

I've never been more proud of myself, let's say than the last two and a half years going through this incredible segregation in society.

You know, like it's like okay, so there's a lot of Cyclops happening.

A lot of coercion pressure and I'm like you know what?

It's done sir.

Yeah I'm just going to end, you know, I have a lot of faults, but one of my more interesting traits is that when I don't know something, I just kind of freeze, pause file it away and I can sit on that question for 10 years.

1:59:27

Incredible patience, like something is up and I smell a rat and I'll sit there and research it to death in the highest form.

I know I don't just mean like going to like like newspaper articles around and start to basically like Elon Musk teaching himself, you know?

1:59:42

No astrophysics or whatever he's doing with spaceships that's not the his Regional discipline and just like literally science it to death and not crack until I understand fully what I'm doing and fully doesn't mean like, do I want an injection or not?

1:59:57

It's like, what does this mean to society?

What is this?

What kind of world are we building?

What does it mean to me in my bodily autonomy?

My verbal autonomy my thought autonomy.

Am I like, where are we?

What kind of construct are we creating around us, right?

And by doing operation Why beginning sort of societal version.

2:00:14

Why?

You know I need to takes a while to connect these ideas.

Yeah.

And if you just simply stumble from one day to the next from one idea to the next, from one problem to the next, you don't have the space and time to see the overarching trajectory of what your actions are creating, right.

2:00:30

We're kind of like building the Matrix and we don't even know that it's happening around us, right?

And so I'm really proud that.

I just didn't overreact and hunkered down and they didn't didn't crack, you know.

No.

And I have nothing but love and like, admiration for all humans that went through the last year because whether they decided to do something or not isn't really the point, everybody felt that pressure and everybody needs to come together.

2:00:54

Hmm.

Yeah.

That's that's the end of it.

Yeah.

Okay yeah, yeah.

Okay let's let's end it there.

And well, you know, thank you everybody for listening.

I'm really proud of this episode.

Yeah.

2:01:12

And Why stumble over the ending all the time.

It's like how because we like it and we don't want it to end and we're just getting warmed up a little bit but you know, open some beers or so there's a moment.

There's a moment that when we get into this that if we don't, stop will start to trip up and the conversation loses.

2:01:28

A little focusing and that's just not good for us or people listening, so true, true.

Okay, so we will say good day to everyone and thanks for listening today.

Take care guys.